4-6 pm ET: Official 2024 NBIGP Live Discussion Thread - WR Holders Girma & Tsegay Headline Ethiopian Contingent

Here is a quick first crack projected of the 1500m:

Athlete/Age/Time
Tsegay/34/3:57
Haylom/18/3:58
Dagnachew/22/3:59
Wiley/20/4:01
Jones/27/4:03
Perez/30/4:03x
Debues-Stafford/28/4:04
L. Stafford/25/4:05
Mackay/25/4:05
Guerrero/33/4:05
Tanaka/24/4:06
Mitchell/24/4:09
Edwards/30/4:09

This is a first crack, hopefully not with a huge oversight. Top five is interesting; those toward the back could flip places; a deeper dive might be more definitive, but information is somewhat limited this early in the season.

A fourth column has now been added, containing some 2024 results so far, and some rearrangement of placement (Mitchell moves up).

Athlete/Age/Time/*2024results
Tsegay/34/3:57
Haylom/18/3:58
Dagnachew/22/3:59
Wiley/20/4:01/*2:00.84
Jones/27/4:03
Perez/30/4:03x/*8:48.91
L. Stafford/25/4:05/*2:01.79
Mitchell/24/4:09/*2:03.95
Debues-Stafford/28/4:04/*(DNF)
Mackay/25/4:05
Guerrero/33/4:05/*2:05.35, 4:07.85
Tanaka/24/4:06
Edwards/30/4:09

Thx for doing the research.

New Balance could be doing more to promote this meet . . . all we read about are the Marathon Trials and Millrose Games . . .

How or why anyone believes in this Tsegay sham is beyond me.

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Go talk to people in Ethiopia about her random short trips to Spain and back before Tokyo. Think she was going for the paella?

Some easy reading:

I have no idea, but in 2021 she had an indoor race in Spain and an outdoor 10K in Portugal. So visiting her agency in those moments would not be considered suspicious. I was also under the impression that EPO was easy to obtain in Ethiopia, so unsure why she’d be visiting Spain for that. Pineda’s association with Aden was obviously a bad one that he should’ve dumped swiftly. It seems like a while since he’s had an athlete busted.

I took another look, and maybe Dagnachew’s 14:39 5000m last year threw me a bit, as she may be more of a long-striker (with a 3:59.87 PB from 2022, but opening in 4:11 last year). With that strong opener last week, I’m now thinking Wiley will take her scalp, and possibly even the younger Haylom’s (3:55 PB) as well this meet?…

Athlete/Age/Time/*2024results
Tsegay/34/3:57
Wiley/20/4:01/*2:00.84
Haylom/18/4:01x
Dagnachew/22/4:02
Jones/27/4:03
Perez/30/4:03x/*8:48.91
L. Stafford/25/4:05/*2:01.79
Mitchell/24/4:09/*2:03.95
Debues-Stafford/28/4:04/*(DNF)
Mackay/25/4:05
Guerrero/33/4:05/*2:05.35, 4:07.85
Tanaka/24/4:06
Edwards/30/4:09

What strikes me about this meet is that every top Ethiopian track distance woman . . . save Letesenbet Giday . . . is here in the US . . .Getachew, Belayneh, Mebratu all under 14:45 at BU on Saturday . . . and now their top women at Boston this Sunday . . . still unknown if any of them will stay for the Millrose Games . . .

The seemingly easy accessibility of recovery drugs in East Africa, on top of ideal training conditions for distance athletes, makes for an interesting challenge to western athletes in the sport.

Tsegay is 27

Thanks, good catch.

Want to take a stab at a placement time prediction?

Athlete/Age/Time/*2024results
Tsegay/27/3:57
Wiley/20/4:01/*2:00.84
Haylom/18/4:01x
Dagnachew/22/4:02
Jones/27/4:03
Perez/30/4:03x/*8:48.91
L. Stafford/25/4:05/*2:01.79
Mitchell/24/4:09/*2:03.95
Debues-Stafford/28/4:04/*(DNF)
Mackay/25/4:05
Guerrero/33/4:05/*2:05.35, 4:07.85
Tanaka/24/4:06
Edwards/30/4:09

Mackay could move up, maybe ahead of Jones.

New Balance Indoor Grand Prix 1500m Field – listed in order of 1500m PR

Gudaf Tsegay (Ethiopia)
Age – 27
1500 PR – 3:53.09 (World #9 all-time)
800 PR – 1:57.52
1500m 2003 best – 3:54.03
2023 World rank 1500m – 3rd

- World Record holder 5000m (14:00.21)
- World Record holder Indoor 1500m (3:53.09)
- Olympics 2016 and 2021 (bronze in 5000m)
- World Outdoor Championships 2017, 2019 (bronze 1500m), 2022 (gold 5000m, silver 1500m), 2023 (gold 10000m)
- World Indoor Championships 2016 (bronze 1500m), 2022 (gold 1500m)
- One of nine currently active runners in sub-1:58/sub-4:00 club

Birke Haylom (Ethiopia)
Age – 18
1500 PR – 3:54.93 (World #18 all-time)
800 PR – N/A
1500m 2003 best – 3:54.93
2023 World rank 1500m – 5th

- World U20 Championships 2022 (gold 1500m)
- World Outdoor Championships 2023 (9th in 1500m)

Gabriela Debues-Stafford (Canada)
Age – 28
1500 PR – 3:56.12 (Canadian Record)
800 PR – 1:58.70 (Canada #4 all-time)
1500m 2003 best – 4:03.64
2023 World rank 1500m – 51st

- Olympics 2016 and 2021 (5th in 1500m)
- World Outdoor Championships 2017 and 2019 (6th in 1500m)
- World Indoor Championships 2016, 2018, 2022 (4th in 3000m)

Addison Wiley (USA)
Age – 20
1500 PR – 3:59.17 (US #10 all-time)
800 PR – 1:57.64 (US #11 all-time)
1500m 2003 best – 3:59.17
2023 World rank 1500m – 19th

- World U20 Championships 2022 (5th in 1500m)
- Collegiate Record 1500m (3:59.17)
- One of nine currently active runners in sub-1:58/sub-4:00 club

Nozomi Tanaka (Japan)
Age – 24
1500 PR – 3:59.19 (Japan Record)
800 PR – 2:02.36 (Japan #5 all-time)
1500m 2003 best – 4:04.36
2023 World rank 1500m – 61st
World U20 Championships 2018 (gold 3000m)

- Olympics 2021 (8th in 1500m)
- World Outdoor Championships 2019, 2022, 2023
- World Indoor Championships 2022

Ayal Dagnachew (Ethiopia)
Age – 22
1500 PR – 3:59.87 (Ethiopia #15 all-time)
800 PR – 2:02.94
1500m 2003 best – 4:08.16
2023 World rank 1500m – 124th

- World U20 Championships 2021 (gold 1500m)

Emily Mackay (USA)
Age – 25
1500 PR – 3:59.99 (US #16 all-time)
800 PR – 2:00.17
1500m 2003 best – 3:59.99
2023 World rank 1500m – 25th

- Pan Am Games 2023 (bronze 1500m)

Marta Pérez (Spain)
Age – 30
1500 PR – 4:00.12 (Spain #2 all-time)
800 PR – 2:01.82 (Spain #21 all-time)
1500m 2003 best – 4:00.53
2023 World rank 1500m – 28th
Olympics 2021 (9th in 1500m)

- World Outdoor Championships 2017, 2019, 2022, 2023
- World Indoor Championships 2018, 2022

Esther Guerrero (Spain)
Age – 33
1500 PR – 4:00.13 (Spain #3 all-time)
800 PR – 1:59.22 (Spain #3 all-time)
1500m 2003 best – 4:00.13
2023 World rank 1500m – 26th

- Olympics 2016 and 2021
- World Outdoor Championships 2015, 2017, 2019, 2023

Dani Jones (USA)
Age – 27
1500 PR – 4:01.66 (US #26 all-time)
800 PR – 2:00.10
1500m 2003 best – 4:01.66
2023 World rank 1500m – 35th

- 3-time NCAA Champion

Lucia Stafford (Canada)
Age – 25
1500 PR – 4:02.03 (Canada #5 all-time)
800 PR – 2:00.47 (Canada #15 all-time)
1500m 2003 best – 4:02.04
2023 World rank 1500m – 40th

- Olympics 2021
- World Outdoor Championships 2022, 2023
- World Indoor Championships 2022 (8th in 1500m)

Kaela Edwards (USA)
Age – 30
1500 PR – 4:09.08
800 PR – 1:59.68
1500m 2003 best – 4:09:08
2023 World rank 1500m – 149th

- World Outdoor Championships 2023

Kate Mitchell (USA)
Age – 24
1500 PR – 4:14.85
800 PR – 2:01.73
1500m 2003 best – 4:14.85
2023 World rank 1500m – 353rd

- 2-time ACC Champion

All-Time US List 1500m Short Track (Top-15)
3:59.98 Regina Jacobs (2003)
4:00.20 Elle Purrier (2020)
4:00.8h Mary Decker (1980)
4:03.16 Josette Norris (2022)
4:04.56 Shannon Rowbury (2017)
4:04.58 Brenda Martinez (2016)
4:04.75 Cory McGee (2020)
4:04.86 Kate Grace (2017)
4:05.29 Heather MacLean (2020)
4:05.35 Morgan Uceny (2011)
4:06.13 Helen Schlachtenhaufen (2023)
4:06.16 Colleen Quigley (2019)
4:06.18 Shannon Osika (2022)
4:06.21 Shelby Houlihan (2018)
4:06.38 Alicia Monson (2023)

Current World Leaders
4:03.54 Georgia Bell (Great Britain)
4:03.93 Revee Walcott-Nolan (Great Britain)
4:07.03 Elise Vanderelst (Belgium)
4:07.25 Salome Afonso (Portugal)
4:07.32 Guilia Aprile (Italy)
4:07.65 Sahar McDonald (Great Britain)
4:07.85 Esther Guerrero (Spain)
4:09.24 Weronika Lizakowska (Poland)

Current US Leaders
4:12.48 Helen Schlachtenhaufen
4:12.78 Laurie Barton
4:13.18 Gabrielle Jennings
4:16.92 Gabrielle Wilkinson

This TRACK at New Balance is wicked fast . . . so expecting lots of changes in the above all-time lists . . . and especially hoping we will see a new name on top of the US list . . .

Fantastic stats work, FtC . . . you are now the newly appointed Walt Murphy of the LRC forum . . . keep it rolling' . . .

Completely different. These were completely random short trips to Spain leading up to Tokyo- not an indoor race in the winter or trip to Portugal.

For educational purposes only, it should be noted that Epo is certainly not the only available ped for training recovery and/or performance (and of course is readily available across the world). Blood donation, cold storage, and then transfusions are becoming more and more popular again. This type of scenario takes some planning and infrastructure.

Taye and Meshesha aren't in the US either I don't think

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