She dominated XC and won. Mu is more of a pure 400-1500 runner, but Wiley is definitely a 800-1500 runner. So, with her recent XC dominance, has her aerobic strength improved even more to allow her to be even better? I'd say she's a lock for '24.
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She dominated XC and won. Mu is more of a pure 400-1500 runner, but Wiley is definitely a 800-1500 runner. So, with her recent XC dominance, has her aerobic strength improved even more to allow her to be even better? I'd say she's a lock for '24.
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Yes. She will run faster than Mu in the 800 and 1500. So many naysayers say that she is wasting her talent in NAIA yest she ran ridiculous times. Imagine what she will accomplish after going pro and having coaching and teammates.
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She dominated XC and won. Mu is more of a pure 400-1500 runner, but Wiley is definitely a 800-1500 runner. So, with her recent XC dominance, has her aerobic strength improved even more to allow her to be even better? I'd say she's a lock for '24.
Either you know very little about running or you just like making things up. There was nothing about Wiley's recent xc race that could be considered dominant. She was running against very weak competition. That race can't be compared in any way, shape or form to what Athing Mu can do.
NAIA Ruler wrote:
Yes. She will run faster than Mu in the 800 and 1500. So many naysayers say that she is wasting her talent in NAIA yest she ran ridiculous times. Imagine what she will accomplish after going pro and having coaching and teammates.
We will have to "Imagine what she will accomplish after going pro and having coaching and teammates" because as it is now, no coach will touch her with a 10 foot pole.
it seems like it wrote:
She dominated XC and won. Mu is more of a pure 400-1500 runner, but Wiley is definitely a 800-1500 runner. So, with her recent XC dominance, has her aerobic strength improved even more to allow her to be even better? I'd say she's a lock for '24.
I’ve never heard of a “pure 400-1500 runner.” Describing Mu that way answers your own question.
McRunnin wrote:
I’ve never heard of a “pure 400-1500 runner.” Describing Mu that way answers your own question.
What do you expect?
The OP is either a troll bot or extremely obtuse.
No Wiley posts for two months. Tuohy gets SMASHED at NCAAs (again). Wiley trolls return. Shocker. At least wait until February 9th after Wiley crushes Tuohy's indoor 1500/mile records before you start to troll.
Wiley is more talented and has more potential with the 1500. But Mu has more talent at the 800 with her 48 split in the 400 ! Wiley does not have that speed for the 800 !
it seems like it wrote:
She dominated XC and won. Mu is more of a pure 400-1500 runner, but Wiley is definitely a 800-1500 runner. So, with her recent XC dominance, has her aerobic strength improved even more to allow her to be even better? I'd say she's a lock for '24.
Athing Mu has incredible range. In high school while running AAU, in addition to her normal 400-1500 events, she ran a 23.6 200 and an 18:30 XC 5k at Holmdel which is not an easy course. That 5k was probably her long run for the week, LOL!
As to overall talent, it takes a hell of a lot to win 2 Olympic gold medals a few weeks after turning 19 and then a WC gold a year later. In fact, Mu is the youngest female athlete to accomplish this in any event.
How did that USA 1500 earlier this year turn out btw?
That isn't true becuase I would give her an offer. There are certainly many more who would.
Both are extremely talented runners, so it is fair to compare. However, while both are considered middle distance runners, they’re coming to it from opposing speed vs strength sides. There is no way Wiley is going to beat Mu (while both at their best in a 400. Similarly, Mu will not be able to come close to competing with Wiley in xc (or even in a 3K on the track).
While Mu currently has better marks and victories in the 800, she also has had longer and more professional coaching… she’s simply been in the sport longer. Based on this past year, it’s not implausible that Wiley could reach Mu-like times in the 800. That Mu has been able to run the 15 so well shows tremendous range, but I think it is at the far end of her range, and I would be very surprised to see her run much under 4min. On the other hand, I see the 1500/mile as Wiley’s best event in the long term.
So, there is more crossover here than, say Wiley and Valby, but they’re still different runners. They’re both superlative at what they do. Mu has already won on the biggest stage, and I think we’ll be seeing Adds for a long time.
Addy Wiley at 19 ran 1:57.64, a 7 second pr, and 3:59.17, a 12.2 second pr!! She just turned 20. She's barely gotten the opportunity to run again international elites and absolutely smashed her times. Athing Mu won double Olympic gold after her freshman year of college, as well as a world gold the following year. She is just 21 and ran 49.57, with a 48 split, and 1:55.04 two years ago, had some struggles and came back to pr in 1:54.97 at the end of this year. She also ran 4:03 this year. Wiley has a lot of catching up to do in honors. She lost to Mu at nationals in the 1500m. Mu could well be in the mid 3:50s in the 1500m if she trains more for it, but she already has range we've only seen before from Caster Semenya. Mu's improvement curve tapered off at 19 but she will likely be better next year and she still can still get much better at either 400 or 1500m, either of which would give her a shot at 1:54 low.
it seems like it wrote:
She dominated XC and won. Mu is more of a pure 400-1500 runner, but Wiley is definitely a 800-1500 runner. So, with her recent XC dominance, has her aerobic strength improved even more to allow her to be even better? I'd say she's a lock for '24.
Micaela Rose and Roisin Willis both have faster 6k XC PRs than Wiley....
Her 6k XC times are not fast.
Distract and Obscure wrote:
No Wiley posts for two months. Tuohy gets SMASHED at NCAAs (again). Wiley trolls return. Shocker. At least wait until February 9th after Wiley crushes Tuohy's indoor 1500/mile records before you start to troll.
Tuohy trolls?
Who even mentioned Tuohy prior to your post, bright boy?
Unless Wiley gets significantly faster at 400m she will peak in her 800m similarly to Reekie, Muir etc. There is a reason that Hodgkinson is still racing 400 (51.7) as she needs it to get down to faster 800 times. Mu runs 49.5 out of the blocks, Moraa 50.5 out of the blocks. Endurance will only take you so far. But it will help her in the 1500m as her endurance also improves. But there isn't a lot of depth sub- 1.56, so is it worth it to go in that direction or work more on her endurance for the 1500m - to go sub-3.55. While there are some young Ethiopians (given that Hassan and Tsegay have moved to 5k/10k), many (Kipyegon, Muir, Magean) are getting older. But the top 800m runners are not old (except Goule-Toppin).
As to coaching and training partners - she has already made it clear that she is happy where she is, or she would have already moved elsewhere.
Unless Wiley gets significantly faster at 400m she will peak in her 800m similarly to Reekie, Muir etc. There is a reason that Hodgkinson is still racing 400 (51.7) as she needs it to get down to faster 800 times. Mu runs 49.5 out of the blocks, Moraa 50.5 out of the blocks. Endurance will only take you so far. But it will help her in the 1500m as her endurance also improves. But there isn't a lot of depth sub- 1.56, so is it worth it to go in that direction or work more on her endurance for the 1500m - to go sub-3.55. While there are some young Ethiopians (given that Hassan and Tsegay have moved to 5k/10k), many (Kipyegon, Muir, Magean) are getting older. But the top 800m runners are not old (except Goule-Toppin).
As to coaching and training partners - she has already made it clear that she is happy where she is, or she would have already moved elsewhere.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. If she wants to improve in the 8, she’ll definitely need to improve her 400. It is an option, but ultimately, I don’t think the 800 is her best event (but it does currently seem a little less crowded at the very top, as you noted). So, it is a difficult choice as there would be training differences / implications. I could see her choosing to go in a speedier direction for the upcoming year. That said, there’s something special about the mile, and if she thinks that will ultimately be her best event, I wouldn’t be too shocked to see her go that way.
The only thing AW is more talented than Mu is in blatantness.