So maybe this has been covered here and maybe this is common knowledge here as I didn’t read the NYC thread but this guy ran 2:05:06 at NYC pre super shoes in 2011 and the great Tola in super shoes breaks his record by like 8 seconds? Is Geoffrey Mutai one of the top 5 marathoners of all time when measured by being fast? Or am I off base here? This guy must have been something special.
That was the world record until shoes made it easier. Only Dennis could possibly lay claim to that otherwise.
And if NYC is 2 minutes slow, and the shoes 90 seconds to 2 minutes faster, not only was Mutai's NYC run amazing, but Salazar ran a low-2:04 at Valencia (had it existed) in 1981.
That was the world record until shoes made it easier. Only Dennis could possibly lay claim to that otherwise.
And if NYC is 2 minutes slow, and the shoes 90 seconds to 2 minutes faster, not only was Mutai's NYC run amazing, but Salazar ran a low-2:04 at Valencia (had it existed) in 1981.
No, it was never the world record. By November 2011 the WR was well under 2:04.
That was the world record until shoes made it easier. Only Dennis could possibly lay claim to that otherwise.
And if NYC is 2 minutes slow, and the shoes 90 seconds to 2 minutes faster, not only was Mutai's NYC run amazing, but Salazar ran a low-2:04 at Valencia (had it existed) in 1981.
No, it was never the world record. By November 2011 the WR was well under 2:04.
^This, but people still regarded Mutai's time in NYC very highly. In the last 12 years a lot of the other major marathons have had their records broken multiple times and by large margins. Tola is a top guy these days and he was on form when he broke the record by...just 8 seconds. The record is only going to creep down as long as Berlin, London, and Valencia draw more talent and NYC doesn't employ pacers.
The guys that can run 2:02 and faster on those pancake courses just can't find rhythm on the bridges. Mutai was a beast.
That was the world record until shoes made it easier. Only Dennis could possibly lay claim to that otherwise.
And if NYC is 2 minutes slow, and the shoes 90 seconds to 2 minutes faster, not only was Mutai's NYC run amazing, but Salazar ran a low-2:04 at Valencia (had it existed) in 1981.
Keep in mind the 1981 NYC course was found to be 148m short, making Salazar’s 2:08:11 more like a 2:08:38. So that’s 2:04:38-2:05:08 at Valencia using your other conversions, which aren’t hard and fast rules. In fact, I have a hard time believing NYC is actually a full 2 minutes slower than a fast course for the elites.
Mutai ran that 2:05:06 the same year he’d run 2:03:02 with a massive tailwind in Boston, which at the time was mind-boggling. That same year, 2011, Patrick Makau lowered Haile’s WR from 2:03:59 to 2:03:38 in Berlin, and Wilson Kipsang ran 2:03:42 in Frankfurt a few weeks after that, but it was definitely Mutai who was considered the #1 most impressive marathoner of the year. That was a transformative year for marathoning.
That was the world record until shoes made it easier. Only Dennis could possibly lay claim to that otherwise.
And if NYC is 2 minutes slow, and the shoes 90 seconds to 2 minutes faster, not only was Mutai's NYC run amazing, but Salazar ran a low-2:04 at Valencia (had it existed) in 1981.
Keep in mind the 1981 NYC course was found to be 148m short, making Salazar’s 2:08:11 more like a 2:08:38. So that’s 2:04:38-2:05:08 at Valencia using your other conversions, which aren’t hard and fast rules. In fact, I have a hard time believing NYC is actually a full 2 minutes slower than a fast course for the elites.
Mutai ran that 2:05:06 the same year he’d run 2:03:02 with a massive tailwind in Boston, which at the time was mind-boggling. That same year, 2011, Patrick Makau lowered Haile’s WR from 2:03:59 to 2:03:38 in Berlin, and Wilson Kipsang ran 2:03:42 in Frankfurt a few weeks after that, but it was definitely Mutai who was considered the #1 most impressive marathoner of the year. That was a transformative year for marathoning.
No...not really. Watch the race, he didn't cut the tangents much at all. He deserves that respect and of course, why remeasure AFTER a world record?