lets talk Ryan Hall, Alan Webb, Dathan Ritzenhein, & World X-Country Championships

Individual Results

SHORT COURSE 18 Feb 2006

Place Place Bib# Finisher Time City, State Affiliation

1 32 Adam Goucher, 31 10:50 Portland, OR Nike

2 36 Daniel Lincoln, 25 10:52 Little Rock, AR Nike

3 34 RYAN HALL, 23 10:57 Woodside, CA Asics

4 31 Jorge Torres, 25 10:58 Boulder, CO Reebok

5 33 Ian Dobson, 24 11:01 Woodside, CA adidas

6 39 Luke Watson, 25 11:09 Minneapolis, MN adidas

7 35 Anthony Famiglietti, 27 11:13 New York, NY adidas

8 211 Patrick Tarpy, 23 11:15 Providence, RI Reebok-Providence

9 159 Ryan Bak, 24 11:18 Marina, CA Big Sur Distance Pro

10 40 Charlie Gruber, 27 11:20 Lawrence, KS Nike

11 38 Fernando Cabada, 23 11:22 Bristol, VA Virginia Intermont C

12 1 151 Kyle King, 24 11:26 Blowing Rock, NC ZAP Fitness

13 168 Tom Chorny, 29 11:27 Eugene, OR

14 37 Steve Slattery, 25 11:27 Lafayette, CO Nike

15 182 Gabriel Jennings, 27 11:29 Mendocino, CA

16 2 152 Thomas Morgan, 24 11:30 Blowing Rock, NC ZAP Fitness

17 172 Eugene Dennis, 31 11:30 Fond du lac, WI Wisconsin Runner RT

18 154 Kristian Agnew, 33 11:30 Boulder, CO

19 220 Lyle Weese, 26 11:33 Marina, CA Big Sur Distance Pro

20 209 Hunter Spencer, 25 11:34 Indianapolis, IN Indiana Invaders

21 167 Jedidiah Chappell, 25 11:35 Scottsdale, AZ

22 214 Nephi Tyler, 24 11:37 Fairhaven, MA

23 164 Blake Boldon, 26 11:37 Ames, IA

24 3 153 Brendan O'Keefe, 23 11:38 Blowing Rock, NC ZAP Fitness

25 184 Aaron Lanzel, 25 11:40 Corpus Christi, U.S. Navy

26 203 Grant Robison, 27 11:42 East Lansing, MI Reebok

27 190 Justin Lutz, 25 11:43 Framingham, MA U.S. Marine Corps

28 177 Christopher Gomez, 24 11:47 Flagstaff, AZ

29 186 Nelson Laux, 27 11:50 Arvada, CO Boulder Running Comp

30 195 Thomas Parlapiano, 24 11:51 Ardmore, PA

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LONG COURSE 19 Feb 2006

Individual Results

Team Finish

Place Place Bib# Finisher Time City, State Affiliation

1 16 RYAN HALL, 23 34:38 Woodside, CA Asics

2 13 Jorge Torres, 25 35:05 Boulder, CO Reebok

3 1 607 Max King, 25 35:20 Bend, OR Team XO

4 11 Dathan Ritzenhein, 23 35:27 Boulder, CO Nike

5 648 Jason Hartmann, 24 35:39 Boulder, CO Nike

6 640 Matthew Gabrielson, 27 35:39 Apple Valley, MN Team USA Minnesota/Reebok

7 662 Brandon Leslie, 29 35:42 Albuquerque, NM Sports Warrier Track/Brooks

8 633 Eugene Dennis, 31 35:42 Fond du lac, WI Wisconsin Runner RT

9 642 Patrick Gildea, 26 35:45 Knoxville, TN New York Athletic Cl

10 656 Ryan Kirkpatrick, 27 35:47 Colorado Springs U.S. Army

11 659 Travis Laird, 24 35:55 Flagstaff, AZ

12 621 Andrew Carlson, 23 35:55 Apple Valley, MN Team USA Minnesota

13 612 Ryan Bak, 24 35:58 Marina, CA Big Sur Distance Pro

14 681 Celedonio Rodriguez, 25 35:59 Alamosa, CO Reebok

15 619 Fernando Cabada, 23 36:18 Bristol, VA Virginia Intermont C

16 613 Kyle Baker, 30 36:24 Westfield, IN

17 654 Peter Julian, 34 36:26 Boulder, CO adidas

18 686 Jason Sandfort, 23 36:27 Fayetteville, AR

19 643 Brian Godsey, 25 36:28 Baltimore, MD

20 2 600 Josh Eberly, 25 36:36 Rochester, MI Hansons-Brooks Dista

21 3 602 Chad Johnson, 29 36:39 Rochester Hills, Hansons-Brooks Dista

22 615 Fasil Bizuneh, 25 36:41 Marina, CA Big Sur Distance Pro

23 4 603 Josh Moen, 23 36:45 Rochester Hills, Hansons-Brooks Dista

24 5 604 Ryan Sheehan, 22 36:46 Rochester, MI Hansons-Brooks Dista

25 6 601 Jeffrey Gaudette, 23 36:46 Rochester, MI Hansons-Brooks Dista

26 690 Josh Simpson, 21 36:47 Peekskill, NY Westchester TC

27 673 Corey Nowitzke, 21 36:53 Monroe, MI Eastern Michigan Uni

28 653 Gabriel Jennings, 27 36:57 Mendocino, CA

29 672 Sean Nesbitt, 31 37:00 Boulder, CO Boulder Express

30 644 Kyle Goklish, 25 37:05 Whiteriver, AZ Sports Warrier Track

on the podium in the short and long course, outstanding performance!

Clearly you were not at the race. Dathan did not run for place - he was having trouble standing up straight during the awards presentation and had to be helped to the Medical trailer. The kid ran hard and was flat out tired.

JRunnerJ wrote:

Clearly you were not at the race. Dathan did not run for place..

Vipam didn't say he was. He was asking.

Also, I think Hall will run at worlds with plenty of intensity. In fact, if the race does not start quite as fast as usual, he'd probably take the lead and TRY to run Bekele into the ground.

I honestly think that 12km race was even more of an eye opener to Ryan's competitors and himself; moreso, than his 13:16.03 last year. The type of competitor Dathan is I didn't think he was running for place and therefore makes Ryan Hall solo destruction of the strong field even more impressive. I just hope Ryan can stay healthy, focused, and delivery the same intentisy in upcoming races here in the U.S and internationally. He have the talent but he isn't as consistent as Alan Webb and Dathan Rizenhein even on the U.S. scene. I think Ryan Hall should definitely move up to the 5000m and 10000m on the track this year-to prepare for the Olympics.

Can Ryan and Dathan both finish in the top 20 at world x-country? Could Ryan be a better 10000m man than Dathan Ritzenhein? If he stay healthy is a sub 13:10 in his future this year?

ttc

thanks for clearing that up (LOL). How strong do you think the x-country teams are men's, women's, and juniors? Who do you think will be the top finisher of each team?

I think Hall is getting major inspiration from his wife. He is the biggest surprise to me in the last year, after his NCAA disappearing act for 3.5 years.

individually i pick bekele in the 4 and 12k, someone said choge will run the senior race, so t bekele should be favored in the juniors. in the female races either burka, t. dibaba or defar, but if russia sends a team it could be interesting or if china sends a it could be realy interesting in the womens junior i hope we get to see dibaba's little sister make her international debut to see if she is as good as emily pigeon and jordan hasay. teams i pick kenya to pull an upset and beat ethiopia in all 3 races, in the womens i take ethiopia over russia in both senior races and usa to win the junior race led by nichole bloods win

doug

wtg those are some bold predictions

Your picks sound pretty good for the individual contenders. If Kenya finishes ahead of the Ethiopian teams I wouldn't call it an upset as they are so closely matched:

winner after the team scores

Men's Long 24 to 35 Ethiopia

short 23 to 31 Ethiopia

Women's Long 16 to 22 Ethiopia

short 18 to 19 Ethiopia

Juniors males 10 to 37 Kenya

Junior Females 16 to 22 Kenya

Do you really think the U.S. girls team can defeat the Kenyans and Ethiopians? While I think they can contend for a medal I don't think they can defeat both African powerhouses. I think all the U.S. teams have the potential to finish top 5 and it will be interesting to see any of them can snag team medals.

no i was kidding when i said the usa girls would win, and i also dont think blood will win, i think probably kenya's girls team, i dont know the individual girls juniors, but i heard t and e. dibaba have a 15 year old sister, i want to see if she is as good as her sisters.

Something had to be wrong with Ritz, sick an undisclosed injury something. I can see him losing a close race to Hall or even Jorge but not to Max King (who ran a great race). I know some think he is getting the reputation as an excuse maker but I think he is having a streak of bad luck kinda like Hall did his first 3 years of college. In any case you would think a media savy group like NYRRC would have a post race press conference to let the fans of the sport know what went on.

or simply he may have decided to enter this race with a large training load without backing off and felt tired. Let's remember what Renato Canova says about INTERNAL LOADS!

some coach wrote:

or simply he may have decided to enter this race with a large training load without backing off and felt tired. Let's remember what Renato Canova says about INTERNAL LOADS!

It's very possible, as Ritz said he was going to train through this meet more than usual. But as I mentioned before, training issues (questionable program?) could still be in the cards. He lost by a lot to runners who doubled.

I predict Alan Webb(ster) will not run in the World Cross Champs. USATF will not extend him a private session to prove his fitness, ala Kwan, thus, we'll first see him runnin' track in April before cross.

scotth wrote:

I predict Alan Webb(ster) will not run in the World Cross Champs. USATF will not extend him a private session to prove his fitness, ala Kwan, thus, we'll first see him runnin' track in April before cross.

Has the USATF ever given anyone a free pass to run World Cross?

Curious wrote:

scotth wrote:

I predict Alan Webb(ster) will not run in the World Cross Champs. USATF will not extend him a private session to prove his fitness, ala Kwan, thus, we'll first see him runnin' track in April before cross.

Has the USATF ever given anyone a free pass to run World Cross?

I doubt it -- in 2001 they made Greene run a round of the 100m even though he was the defending world champ and fighting off injury. They also refused Johnson's request to run on the 4x4 in Edmonton because he wasn't going to run the open 4 at nationals.

I agree, especially given an earlier post on this thread about Ritz having difficulty standing up, etc. Moreover, he lost to Bekele in Edinburgh by almost the exact same time he lost to Hall. And, honestly, Max King is not in his class nor is Hartmann, who finished close behind him.

Earl wrote:

Something had to be wrong with Ritz, sick an undisclosed injury something. I can see him losing a close race to Hall or even Jorge but not to Max King (who ran a great race). I know some think he is getting the reputation as an excuse maker but I think he is having a streak of bad luck kinda like Hall did his first 3 years of college. In any case you would think a media savy group like NYRRC would have a post race press conference to let the fans of the sport know what went on.

Hall is still going to need to work on his mile speed, and if he can bring it down into the 3:55 range, he will be competitive internationally at both the 5,000 and 10,000. His 5,000 breakthrough from last year certainly suggests he has more in the tank at that distance and above. But to answer your question, yes, he should probably move up and he will likely be able to make a run at the American record in the 10,000. And remember, this kid's PB from last year is faster than Dathan's. It should surprise NOBODY if he emerges as the next great US distance star.

excuses, excuses, excuses...big training loads, blisters, going out too hard, etc.

the only internal load i have to remember is the one Ryan Hall just dumped on Ritz in New York today...