Rojo and Joga's excuses for Jakob on podcast

100% agree. I've been saying the same things and other users act as if I'm a Jakob hater. No I just don't buy the excuse and find it disrespectful to other competitors to even say that. You know how many runners get sick when they taper for a championship that is simple science honestly. Everyone could have that excuse.

We honestly can’t answer, but be careful to judge so harshly. There is a degree of randomness to all this. If you looked at who ran their absolute best performance in the Worlds Final you’d have probably 5 guys - Laros/Hocker (asterisked because they started season late with injury/illness), Kipsang (solid but not an outlier run), Nordas, Kerr. It’s hard to do clearly. Kerr has peaked well for Worlds, but last year his performances (and overall details) were mediocre so he got a fortuitous 5th (Cheruiyot/Kipsang/Hoare were all fitter). Wightman didn’t even make it to this outdoor season. Katir couldn’t even make the final, Hoare didn’t make it to the line.

The point is it’s hard. You’re acting like it’s a pattern (2x occurring) because of him getting COVID? Really, this is more realistically a one-off when it comes to sickness around championships and he was in phenomenal shape physically in ‘21-22 when it counted. While he doesn’t deserve a complete pass, it’s fair to say there is no question there was a degree of bad luck for a guy who says he gets sick once a season.

he was sick so he lost. he was a 3:29 guy that day not the 3:27 we saw earlier. kerr is world champion. move on.

You are really taking yourself too seriously. Its not the athletes job to control what he cannot control.

- Sick 2 weeks before Olympics

- Sick during World Indoors

- Sick during World Champs

Yup, just a coincidence. Completely random.

He can 99% win only when its paced.

- Before Olympics 2020 his followers hound an excuse of illness when he lost Monaco DL while still recording a time of 3:29 mid

- He won the Olympics 2020 because Cheruiyot did the big work

- He lost World Indoor Championship when he paced the whole race and was kicked by Teferera still in a great time of 3:32 - Second illness excuse.

- He lost World Championships 2022 while pacing the race. This time that was a tactical error.

- He lost World Championship 2023 while pacing the race. Third illness excuse.

Still a great time 3:29 mid.

Wow. Jakob has that kind of power? He can ensure he will not be sick on a given day?

He was sick before the OG?

That's why he won the Gold in record time?

The sample size is ridiculously low to make assertions regarding his regimen and health. Prior to Budapest, Jakob had been sick one time for a major event, the 2022 world indoors. That's an entirely different time of year and weather conditions. He can't be expected to apply anything from that meet to August 2023.

I have no idea what changes he should make, if any. Since reaching his prime years the only two races Jakob has not looked like himself were that indoor final and then the Budapest 1500. Long before the result it was clear to me that he was subpar. That's why I believe he was ill.

In Eugene he looked fine but simply got beat by poor tactics. Jakob is not somebody like Farah or Kipyegon who can keep opponents on their hip with full confidence it doesn't matter. As soon as the sprint begins it's over. I knew Jakob wasn't right in Budapest when the fractions weren't quick enough to guarantee the 2-5 meter gap he needs.

Sure, other runners may be sick themselves. That's never obvious when they sit back and refrain from the proceedings even when fully fit and healthy.

Actually there was a third race for Jakob. He didn't look right in the Budapest 5000 either. No chance he leaves it that late.

First of all he was sick at Monaco some 4 and a half weeks before the Olympics, which is totally fine and absurd to be lumped in here. Are you going to file this away for every athlete who has a minor illness during the season?

As for World Indoors, he got COVID. Different sort of situation in my eyes with athletes having to be outside of their circle as they travel to a meet etc.

Just like I'd say for Wanyonyi this year. If you have a random down race and then wildly outperform that race later in the season, why would I think you are lying about it? Jakob looked pretty flat in Monaco '21 looking all-out running 3:29-mid. 4.5 weeks later he runs 3:28-flat celebrating in his 3rd race in 4 days. Yes, I think he was sick in Monaco. Wanyonyi runs a 1:44-mid in Monaco. Weeks later he gets second at Worlds and then runs 1:43.2 to take down the World Champ. Yes I buy that he was sick.

Lastly Josh Kerr last year:

Commonwealth Games 12th Place finish: Reveals he got COVID after Worlds and wasn't fully recovered. Want to hold that one against him?

European Games: Withdraws from the meet as he's still not feeling 100% from Comm Games/illness

Jakob you might notice won the double at European Champs.

There is no comparison between Wanyoni and Jakob.
The 800m is one of the most unpredicable distances unless you are someone of Rudisha calliber at his peak.

The point was is that some mix between under-performing and illness.

If I count the number of illness that Jacob got I personally I would say I get 7 illness by weak of the same kind.

Some days you get a bad sleep and you woke with a slight headache.

Easy to go to a doctor and he will tell you have a small illness.

I'm glad someone here has the balls to point out the truth.

THE DEEP STATE IS AFTER HIM!!!

And what do you want to prove after all in a site of haters and fanboys that spend their time downvoting anything that affect their symbols.

These same people downvote neutral threads just like the one I posted yesterday.

Good post. We all know Jakob was devastated losing to Wightman last year, and he was putting a tremendous amount of pressure on himself to not let it happen again in Budapest. Sometimes being hyper-fixated on something like that and the stress that comes with it can provoke an immune response. We have no way of knowing for sure if that's what happened here, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Regardless, preventing injury and illness is part of his job, even if there's some randomness inherent to it.

1) I don't believe J Ingebrigtsen was sick, 1500m final. Anxiety produces physical symptoms. No mask at W.C., in covid-19 era, makes me not believe him. Also, 3:29.xx 1500m while sick? No. 2:21.xx final 1000m, 5000m final while sick? No.

2) J I fanatics are saying random bad luck. Really? J I was Steve Ovett 2.0 in W.C. 1500m semi-final. Reminded me of Steve Ovett, 1980 Olympics, 1500m semi-final. Ovett worked too hard, 1980 1500m semi-final. Ovett believed he needed to maintain his win streak. J I, for some reason believed he needed to win 1500m semi-final. J I spent way too much energy over final 300m, 1500m, semi-final.

3) No one is fortunate to have a magic kick every race. J Ingebrigten wasted a kick, 1500m semi-final.

He's gonna need someone to front run for him in Paris or it's gonna happen again.

Totally agree. -Think Jakob would agree with you too!