ROJO isn't this your school? As an alumni are you going to just let this slide?
A call to the AD is in order
*alumnus
We made that mistake in a headline of our high school paper. I haven't forgotten it 40+ years later. It was so sloppy I can't believe none of us caught it.
Could it be that they brought along the NIRCA club team to do some unofficial workout and let them wear the Princeton uniform? Not everyone is talented
No other NCAA sport would tolerate the type of obvious tanking that took place today at HYP.
Princeton and their coaches should be embarrassed. If you don’t want to race, just pay the fine and move on. Princeton alum should be embarrassed.
This sort of thing makes a mockery of NCAA competition.
It certainly makes a mockery of the notion that college cross country is a real sport. The idea of sending a team to "compete", only to have them deliberately perform significantly below their ability, and in some cases laugh about while doing it, has been pretty common and accepted (by enough people) in XC and is pretty unique to cross country. Never would happen in football, basketball, baseball, tennis, golf, etc. In fact in most sports, it is hard to even come up with a reasonable comparable scenario.
This is sending a message to the college administrators of Princeton to please cancel this "sport".
No other NCAA sport would tolerate the type of obvious tanking that took place today at HYP.
Princeton and their coaches should be embarrassed. If you don’t want to race, just pay the fine and move on. Princeton alum should be embarrassed.
"Sanctioned"? "Fine"? I'm confused. I'm relatively new to college coaching (30+ years) and have never heard of either. Can someone clue me in?
Hi lease, who has coached for 30 years, you sound like a typical douche college coach. NCAA violations result in consequences. This is a Level 1 violation, affecting the integrity of the sport. The fine I’m referring to, is the fine Princeton would have to pay if they don’t run a team at HYPs. That’s part of an agreement these schools have. Your “30+ years” of coaching have you more focused on vocabulary than the sport. Typical head coach who has become a bureaucrat to keep his job.Think what this move does to the other teams who show up to run. It’s embarrassing. Yes sanctions and fines, or whatever you want yo call it. NCAA rule violation = punishment.
Also interesting to note as part of this discussion, that a referee can make the honest effort decision at the time of the violation. I see referees and officials at track meets, but never at a small XC meet. Or are they just not obvious?
Are you claiming that every runner in a tactical 1500 is in violation?
Not at all. This was not tactical. This was a dive from the first step and a mockery the rest of the way. if you lined up 100 Xc coaches and asked if Princeton gave an honest effort yesterday, it would be unanimous that Princeton intentionally showed up and jogged to avoid a fine. This kind of situation is exactly what the rule is written for. All collegiate runners and alum would see this clearly foe what it is. Tactical? Not even close. also, consider the athletes. Believe it or not, the athletes matter. Yale and Harvard athletes were disrespected. Princeton athletes were taught that mocking their opponents and the sport to appease their coach’s emotional tantrum is a good thing. to the Princeton guys who ran yesterday: not cool. It’s fine you did what your coach told you, but file that life experience under “Sh$t I had to do, but am not proud of”. As the years go on, you’ll find that traditions like HYP can be a top memory. Also you’ll find that the small battles matter.
See the second link above. See the last sentence of page 4 of 4 pages of the second link. The honest effort wasn’t there at this race, but it sounds like neither was a referee.
As the years go on, you’ll find that traditions like HYP can be a top memory. Also you’ll find that the small battles matter.
Did you type this while wearing a full Tracksmith kit from your summer cottage in Maine or something?
No. All collegiate runners have rivals and dual and Tri meets. This is not about the Ivy League only. All big and small conferences have these competitions. These are good and fun. If they are not good and fun, or one team doesn’t want to do it, cancel them and don’t compete. Talk to your conference or your AD. But don’t show up and jog. To NCAA guy, only the Princeton team jogged. That’s not tactical. You cannot be a runner. You sound like the typical NCAA bureaucrat who doesn’t understand the product they’re administering.