The subject is clear, but for just a little more detail, assume the HSer has the grades and test scores to make it into in college. I'd like to hear your thoughts on both boys and girls, but is it easier for girls to receive a scholarship because of Title IX? Years ago, it seemed like guys and girls running sub4:20 and sub5 in the 1600 could probably get at least a little money, but now it seems like the new equivalents would be sub4:16 and sub4:54. Is that about right?
Anyway, what would a HS boy and HS girl need to run to get a significant scholarship to run at a P5, a mid-major, and then a smaller, relatively uncompetitive school? How fast would they need to walk on at a P5, mid-major, and small school? Do these times need to be achieved by their Jr year?
I have had many athletes go D1. I have 3 boys and 2 girls in the current freshman class. One of the boys walked on at a mid major with PRs of 4:26/9:45. One of the boys walked on at a Power 5 with PRs of 4:19/9:16. One of the boys got books at a Power 5 with PRs of 1:52/4:24. The girls both walked on at mid majors. One had PRs of 4:56/10:52 and the other 5:01/11:10. The fastest guy I had 3 years ago at 4:12/9:02. He walked on at a mid major that qualifies for nationals frequently.
A few thousand dollars isn't enough to sway a decision. Many times a power 5 state school is the best deal at $25K with no scholarship over a private school with a small athletic scholarship.
What if you don't have PRs at 1600 and 3200? I know you'd stand out as unusual, but isn't that good? It may get recruiters and coaches to look at you for a few more moments. I never had the opportunity to run either of those distnaces. Nobody outside of the US does, nor does anybody not on an official school-sponsored team inside it. Although I didn't plan on (nor even consider, really) running in the NCAA, I have looked back and wondered if my 10k times would have done it.
coach big time, your 4:12 / 9:02 only managed to walk on at a mid-major? I'm not knocking it, it just seems like really good times to not get any scholarship. Do you think it was one of those things where it helped him gain admittance?
Bib5034, I don't want to derail the thread, but your advice seems insane to me. There are so many factors like the reputation of the school in the desired field, the overall financial situation (academic scholarships, etc), the feelings/assessment of the coach/team, etc etc.
Rjfb, can you indicate what type of school your daughter got into?
Non-standard, you might have been good enough to get on a team, but I think without some 800-3200 times, almost every coach would pass on pursuing you (unless you had some crazy excellent 5K/10K times that could be verifiable beyond just times submitted). Perhaps you could get a tryout or walk-on situation, though.
Can anyone verify if Title iX makes it a little easier for girls?
Pretty much every college has a recruiting tab on their track/xc portion of their website w the times needed to be recruited or walk on. these are times by your junior year. they are very accurate although there are some outliers. For the ivies you need top grades as well.
The topic pertains to athletic scholarships. If your daughter got a full ride, you are very wealthy and your daughter is not very intelligent.
People like you don’t have kids or coach. She’s actually neither: she’s actually very fast and now an NCAA qualifier. She received multiple offers and took the 100% full athletic at a major D1 (local).
Here’s some advice: run around 4:40 for the mile and 10:05 for 2 miles and you’ll get close to the 65 requests for visits. It’s all about math. Become the 1% and win some state titles and place high at nationals. No secret here.
Tuohy isn't on a full. Neither is Cook or Valby. But sure your daughter is.
You have no clue. They are all on full scholarship. Even Starliper got a full ride. Educate yourself. you’ll be amazed how many kids are on athletic scholarship. It’s over 50% of each team with about 2-3 on a full ride. Do you not have any D1 friends who are coaches?
A top US high school miler when she was recruited to NC State, Marlee Starliper expected to continue winning. But, life happens, and college was not at all a...
If Tuohy is on a full athletic scholarship, she is not very intelligent. Nearly every student gers some type of need based aid or academic aid. Her fans claim that she is smart. If even above average, she is getting some amount of academic aid. Nearly every distance runner is other than some foreignersnajd Juco transfers. Educate yourself. How do you think NC State has so many great runners? Runners like Tuohy are getting 1/2 academic and 1/2 athletic. People like you think that youvare defending runners by claiming that they are getting more athletically. We kniw ho fast they are but don't know how smart they are. You are defaming them by claiming that they are receiving full rides. Give them some credit for being good students.
And you aren't very good at math. Coaches use academic and need based aid before using their own 18 scholarships. You would be a terrible coach if you give a girl 100% who is receiving a 50% academic scholarship. What school does your fake daughter run for? If real, I feel bad for you because if she is that poor of a student, she will have a tough time in life when her running career ends.
I was a high level D1 runner. One of my teammates is a D1 college coach who you all know. I have several friends who are D2 coaches. I have had at least 30 runners go D1. You may have more experience but not many people do.
If Tuohy is on a full athletic scholarship, she is not very intelligent. Nearly every student gers some type of need based aid or academic aid. Her fans claim that she is smart. If even above average, she is getting some amount of academic aid. Nearly every distance runner is other than some foreignersnajd Juco transfers. Educate yourself. How do you think NC State has so many great runners? Runners like Tuohy are getting 1/2 academic and 1/2 athletic. People like you think that youvare defending runners by claiming that they are getting more athletically. We kniw ho fast they are but don't know how smart they are. You are defaming them by claiming that they are receiving full rides. Give them some credit for being good students.
Please read what you are writing: "If Touhy is on a full athletics scholarship..." she is the greatest high school distance runner of our generation. The entire NCAA who thought they had a chance with her offered a full athletic. Half my peers did at the time: NC State, UVA, FSU, Stanford, Oregon, UNC, Villanova, Providence, NAU...
Let me clear something up: not everyone gets academic aid nor financial aid. I would traditionally give out 3-4 full athletic scholarships per year to student-athletes I felt I could develop into national contenders and conference champions.
I wish LRC would sit down with some Division I college coaches and break down these myths as I feel sorry for many of you claiming to have fast kids with no places to run. I have given full rides (D1 Mid-Major, South Central up until my retirement pandemic) of 4:10, 9:10 for boys and 4:45, 10:15 for girls and many more in between and some a tad slower but won state in XC and placed well at Champs or NXN.
I would lay this out as a certainty- any girl running sub-4:45 and sub-10:15 is getting a 100% full athletic scholarship. Do you not realize there are ONLY about 10 SENIOR girls EVERY YEAR that run these times and there are close to 300 programs, about 150 of them which take distance very seriously and want to win and are fully funded. On the boys side, if you are 4:05 and 8:50 you are getting a 100% full athletic offer. And once again, these kids can CHOOSE to turn down full rides to accept less at some powerhouse programs which have over-offered or are stacked (i.e., Oregon, Stanford), however, the times are changing where you can get other assistance (NIL).
Would love to get some more coaches here to educate the public. I speak to coaches all the time still trying to fill out rosters up until 6 weeks before school.
