Jakob’s arrogance…

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

I don’t think Jakob Ingebrigtsen is arrogant. But neither do I think the question is of interest… But of course he’s arrogant now and then -else he wouldn’t be a human. But as I said I don’t think he’s arrogant as a whole…

What’s of interest is what lies behind some seemingly episodes of arrogance -Rojo’s recent question about pacing / not pacing is an interesting example, but if people think that was arrogance just have a look on these interviews some years ago:

Jakob was 16 or 17 years old and a journalist asked Coe and Cram about their views on the prodigy. Well, they both of course talked about his immense talent, but then they both also came with the same warning: He should do more speed work (meaning being faster in the 800m)… So how did young Ingebrigtsen respond to his two ideals’ well meant advice (and now we are talking “arrogance”): He said: “They don’t know what they’re talking about!”

Was Jakob arrogant and disrespectful? Not at all in my opinion -he just said the truth as he saw it (and time has in many ways proven him right).

Well, this story (about Coe and Cram, about arrogance and truth, about speed work vs endurance) is longer and more detailed, but must be held in reserve to avoid a super long post. But my point and question is: Am I right in my view that Jakob isn’t arrogant, but extremely (and rightly) insistent in his insight about the importance of building stamina. And that this stamina can make him win championships without strategy or tactical manoeuvring -simply outrunning everybody from start to finish..? Or will he surprise us with a renewal of his training strategy (a year or two) before he leaves for longer events..?

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

I don’t think Jakob Ingebrigtsen is arrogant. But neither do I think the question is of interest… But of course he’s arrogant now and then -else he wouldn’t be a human. But as I said I don’t think he’s arrogant as a whole…

What’s of interest is what lies behind some seemingly episodes of arrogance -Rojo’s recent question about pacing / not pacing is an interesting example, but if people think that was arrogance just have a look on these interviews some years ago:

Jakob was 16 or 17 years old and a journalist asked Coe and Cram about their views on the prodigy. Well, they both of course talked about his immense talent, but then they both also came with the same warning: He should do more speed work (meaning being faster in the 800m)… So how did young Ingebrigtsen respond to his two ideals’ well meant advice (and now we are talking “arrogance”): He said: “They don’t know what they’re talking about!”

Was Jakob arrogant and disrespectful? Not at all in my opinion -he just said the truth as he saw it (and time has in many ways proven him right).

Well, this story (about Coe and Cram, about arrogance and truth, about speed work vs endurance) is longer and more detailed, but must be held in reserve to avoid a super long post. But my point and question is: Am I right in my view that Jakob isn’t arrogant, but extremely (and rightly) insistent in his insight about the importance of building stamina. And that this stamina can make him win championships without strategy or tactical manoeuvring -simply outrunning everybody from start to finish..? Or will he surprise us with a renewal of his training strategy (a year or two) before he leaves for longer events..?

Impala31 wrote:

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

I don’t think Jakob Ingebrigtsen is arrogant. But neither do I think the question is of interest… But of course he’s arrogant now and then -else he wouldn’t be a human. But as I said I don’t think he’s arrogant as a whole…

What’s of interest is what lies behind some seemingly episodes of arrogance -Rojo’s recent question about pacing / not pacing is an interesting example, but if people think that was arrogance just have a look on these interviews some years ago:

Jakob was 16 or 17 years old and a journalist asked Coe and Cram about their views on the prodigy. Well, they both of course talked about his immense talent, but then they both also came with the same warning: He should do more speed work (meaning being faster in the 800m)… So how did young Ingebrigtsen respond to his two ideals’ well meant advice (and now we are talking “arrogance”): He said: “They don’t know what they’re talking about!”

Was Jakob arrogant and disrespectful? Not at all in my opinion -he just said the truth as he saw it (and time has in many ways proven him right).

Well, this story (about Coe and Cram, about arrogance and truth, about speed work vs endurance) is longer and more detailed, but must be held in reserve to avoid a super long post. But my point and question is: Am I right in my view that Jakob isn’t arrogant, but extremely (and rightly) insistent in his insight about the importance of building stamina. And that this stamina can make him win championships without strategy or tactical manoeuvring -simply outrunning everybody from start to finish..? Or will he surprise us with a renewal of his training strategy (a year or two) before he leaves for longer events..?

I agree that his purpose is not to be arrogant but to speak in the sake of truth (or what he thinks is truth). However the way to do it matters and that was an arrogant way to do it considering the caliber of those advice-givers. Something like "with all due respect, I do not agree" would be more appropriate. I think he would say something closer to that nowadays.

Impala31 wrote:

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

I don’t think Jakob Ingebrigtsen is arrogant. But neither do I think the question is of interest… But of course he’s arrogant now and then -else he wouldn’t be a human. But as I said I don’t think he’s arrogant as a whole…

What’s of interest is what lies behind some seemingly episodes of arrogance -Rojo’s recent question about pacing / not pacing is an interesting example, but if people think that was arrogance just have a look on these interviews some years ago:

Jakob was 16 or 17 years old and a journalist asked Coe and Cram about their views on the prodigy. Well, they both of course talked about his immense talent, but then they both also came with the same warning: He should do more speed work (meaning being faster in the 800m)… So how did young Ingebrigtsen respond to his two ideals’ well meant advice (and now we are talking “arrogance”): He said: “They don’t know what they’re talking about!”

Was Jakob arrogant and disrespectful? Not at all in my opinion -he just said the truth as he saw it (and time has in many ways proven him right).

Well, this story (about Coe and Cram, about arrogance and truth, about speed work vs endurance) is longer and more detailed, but must be held in reserve to avoid a super long post. But my point and question is: Am I right in my view that Jakob isn’t arrogant, but extremely (and rightly) insistent in his insight about the importance of building stamina. And that this stamina can make him win championships without strategy or tactical manoeuvring -simply outrunning everybody from start to finish..? Or will he surprise us with a renewal of his training strategy (a year or two) before he leaves for longer events..?

I agree that his purpose is not to be arrogant but to speak in the sake of truth (or what he thinks is truth). However the way to do it matters and that was an arrogant way to do it considering the caliber of those advice-givers. Something like "with all due respect, I do not agree" would be more appropriate. I think he would say something closer to that nowadays.

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

Impala31 wrote:

I agree that his purpose is not to be arrogant but to speak in the sake of truth (or what he thinks is truth). However the way to do it matters and that was an arrogant way to do it considering the caliber of those advice-givers. Something like "with all due respect, I do not agree" would be more appropriate. I think he would say something closer to that nowadays.

Well here’s the details (I hope I remember this correctly -I’m prepared to take some spanking if I don’t -have no known agenda here): I think Jakob got a little irritated, because he had heard this thing about his speed before. And he was only face to face with the journalist (and not Coe and Cram) -maybe therefore the missing words of respect- anyways, he said that he wasn’t a 800 / 1500m guy (like them) and that he never would run fast in the 800m. And what had Coe and Cram done in the 5000m (he said apparently as a little rude point), knowing that he himself was strong there…

My point isn’t to judge Jakob here, because rather than (hindsight) arrogance and disrespect he seemed eager to tell that he (and his team) had found another approach than Coe and Cram (simply because all the Ingebrigtsens are “slow” by birth): That is to train in their own strengths (the endurance) in stead of their weakness (speed). And a couple of years later Jakob said (after some fans spoke of his 800m abilities) that he never would do 1.44..!

I wonder if Coe and Cram nevertheless will be getting the last word: Maybe Jakob right before leaving for the 5000m++ will do some extensive speed work as an exception (on top of his huge base, and without ruining this with only a few weeks with extreme speed work), just to get all he can out for the 1500m once…

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

I don’t think Jakob Ingebrigtsen is arrogant. But neither do I think the question is of interest… But of course he’s arrogant now and then -else he wouldn’t be a human. But as I said I don’t think he’s arrogant as a whole…

What’s of interest is what lies behind some seemingly episodes of arrogance -Rojo’s recent question about pacing / not pacing is an interesting example, but if people think that was arrogance just have a look on these interviews some years ago:

Jakob was 16 or 17 years old and a journalist asked Coe and Cram about their views on the prodigy. Well, they both of course talked about his immense talent, but then they both also came with the same warning: He should do more speed work (meaning being faster in the 800m)… So how did young Ingebrigtsen respond to his two ideals’ well meant advice (and now we are talking “arrogance”): He said: “They don’t know what they’re talking about!”

Was Jakob arrogant and disrespectful? Not at all in my opinion -he just said the truth as he saw it (and time has in many ways proven him right).

Well, this story (about Coe and Cram, about arrogance and truth, about speed work vs endurance) is longer and more detailed, but must be held in reserve to avoid a super long post. But my point and question is: Am I right in my view that Jakob isn’t arrogant, but extremely (and rightly) insistent in his insight about the importance of building stamina. And that this stamina can make him win championships without strategy or tactical manoeuvring -simply outrunning everybody from start to finish..? Or will he surprise us with a renewal of his training strategy (a year or two) before he leaves for longer events..?