We have to draw the line somewhere and this seems like the perfect opportunity. Any (healthy) runner who cannot qualify for USAs in their main event can no longer describe themselves as a pro runner and their pro card should be pulled. Does not seem to be a big ask - not even asking them to make the finals or anything.
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Bad news for lots of Under Armour and ZAP Endurance athletes…
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Nick Symmonds’ (and other successful YouTubers and influencers) bank account disagrees with you.
Pro means making money. There are several slow pro runners that are making WAY more $ than the few that will make a US team. Most of them would get destroyed by fast runners. Some of them don’t even race.
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This isn't triathlon, there are no "pro cards" to pull.
Why do you care how they describe themselves?
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Does anyone know where Colby Alexander has been?
Ran 3:33 in 2021, and 3:36/3:52 in early 2022 then not seen much since..611 -
So Centro was 0.36 away from not being a pro?
Drew Piazza isn't a pro
Eric Avila isn't a pro
Sam Chelanga isn't a pro
Emmanuel Bor isn't a pro
Vanessa Fraser isn't a pro
Ednah Kurgat isn't a pro
Not to mention they keep moving the goal posts every champs. I'm looking forward to the 2028 National Champs when the standards are 3:31 and 12:58 and you're still clinging to this claim..3755 -
Good thing your book means ugatz to me…
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Pro Card Watch wrote:
We have to draw the line somewhere and this seems like the perfect opportunity. Any (healthy) runner who cannot qualify for USAs in their main event can no longer describe themselves as a pro runner and their pro card should be pulled. Does not seem to be a big ask - not even asking them to make the finals or anything.
C’mon bro. You can do better. You never hand in your rough draft.
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Pro = $ wrote:
Nick Symmonds’ (and other successful YouTubers and influencers) bank account disagrees with you.
Pro means making money. There are several slow pro runners that are making WAY more $ than the few that will make a US team. Most of them would get destroyed by fast runners. Some of them don’t even race.
We aren't talking about Professional YouTubers. Catch up.
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BrainCelll wrote:
So Centro was 0.36 away from not being a pro?
Drew Piazza isn't a pro
Eric Avila isn't a pro
Sam Chelanga isn't a pro
Emmanuel Bor isn't a pro
Vanessa Fraser isn't a pro
Ednah Kurgat isn't a proNot to mention they keep moving the goal posts every champs. I'm looking forward to the 2028 National Champs when the standards are 3:31 and 12:58 and you're still clinging to this claim..
Nonsense for many reasons. Let's take them one by one.
- Ednah Kurgat is in the 10000m
- Emmanuel Bor is in the 5000m
- Sam Chelanga is 38 years old
- Drew Piazza? Seriously? Surprised you didn't add David Ribich to this list
- Vanessa Fraser works in venture capital in SF
- Eric Avila has run 3:39 and 3:45 in his two 1500s this spring
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I would go as far as to say that if your main source of income isn’t from running you are NOT a pro.
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I like the concept the OP is betting at. But a better analogy would be baseball. If you don't make USAs, you aren't in the majors. You are in at best AAA.
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Professional definer wrote:
I would go as far as to say that if your main source of income isn’t from running you are NOT a pro.
This makes the most sense to me. If someone runs for a living and just misses USAs, that doesn't they mean they aren't a professional runner, it just means they aren't a good one. The real question is how many people there are who fit this description (running is the primary income source but no USAs). Probably not many.
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rojo wrote:
I like the concept the OP is betting at. But a better analogy would be baseball. If you don't make USAs, you aren't in the majors. You are in at best AAA.
Lots of amateurs and semi-pros competing at USAs.
Almost certainly true if you can’t make the USATF, you’re not a pro, but just making it there doesn’t mean you’re in the big leagues just yet!
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rojo wrote:
I like the concept the OP is betting at. But a better analogy would be baseball. If you don't make USAs, you aren't in the majors. You are in at best AAA.
Sure, but this means that the majors in track & field is a much, much smaller group than it is in most other sports. I see the point of making the distinction and of encouraging excellence through these distinctions, but I can't help but see an inferiority complex in all of this. I know there are haters and trolls in all sports, but why are so many running fans hellbent on hating really good athletes?
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Eliud Kipchoge cannot qualify for USAs. Is he not a pro runner?
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GD wrote:
Sure, but this means that the majors in track & field is a much, much smaller group than it is in most other sports. I see the point of making the distinction and of encouraging excellence through these distinctions, but I can't help but see an inferiority complex in all of this. I know there are haters and trolls in all sports, but why are so many running fans hellbent on hating really good athletes?
It’s not about hating. It’s about reserving a special distinction for those who truly deserve it.
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I see nothing wrong with this
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Professional means earning... hence many athletes being banned from the sport before professionalisation. Being pro does not equal a performance level. It's a meaningless categorisation.
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Pro Card Watch wrote:
We have to draw the line somewhere and this seems like the perfect opportunity. Any (healthy) runner who cannot qualify for USAs in their main event can no longer describe themselves as a pro runner and their pro card should be pulled. Does not seem to be a big ask - not even asking them to make the finals or anything.
The term pro in any sport is an athlete that gets paid to perform in that sport. Plenty of pro athletes that you never see on a football field, or court or at the US Trials. You’re absolutely wrong
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