I am crying for the great Swede as it looks like he missed a great opportunity to run well under 13 minutes and he was right in contention with the best runners until 12 minutes and 17 seconds in the race when he suddenly fell down. Not sure who tripped him up but obviously it was not intentional in the heat of the moment.
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Absolute monster times from a range of distances from 100 m up and a very impressive 800, 1:45.59, from many years ago. Very impressive running action.
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Ghost1 wrote:
Absolute monster times from a range of distances from 100 m up and a very impressive 800, 1:45.59, from many years ago. Very impressive running action.
Andreas would have pencilled himself into a select group of 12 non Africans, or African heritage athletes to run under 13:00.00. One Caribbean heritage athlete in there, J.Knight (Canada), 12:51.93.
World leader: Cheptegei 12:35.36
12. Fisher 12:46.96, 2022
15. J.Ingebrigtsen 12:48.45, 2021
59. W.Kincaid 12:54.40, 2023
62. D.Baumann 12:54.70, 1997
68. J.Klecker 12:55.16, 2023
70. C.Solinsky 12:55.53, 2010
73. C.Mottram, 12:55.76, 2004
78.D.Ritzenhein, 12:56.27, 2009
82. S.McSweyn, 12:56.50, 2022
94. B.Kennedy, 12:58.21, 1996
101. M Tegenkamp, 12:58.56, 2009
African Heritage or Caribbean:
14. M.Ahmed Canada, 12:47.20
31. M Katir, Spain, 12:50.79
37. J.Knight, Canada, 12:51.93 (Caribbean heritage)
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Ghost1 wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Absolute monster times from a range of distances from 100 m up and a very impressive 800, 1:45.59, from many years ago. Very impressive running action.
Andreas would have pencilled himself into a select group of 12 non Africans, or African heritage athletes to run under 13:00.00. One Caribbean heritage athlete in there, J.Knight (Canada), 12:51.93.
World leader: Cheptegei 12:35.36
12. Fisher 12:46.96, 2022
15. J.Ingebrigtsen 12:48.45, 2021
59. W.Kincaid 12:54.40, 2023
62. D.Baumann 12:54.70, 1997
68. J.Klecker 12:55.16, 2023
70. C.Solinsky 12:55.53, 2010
73. C.Mottram, 12:55.76, 2004
78.D.Ritzenhein, 12:56.27, 2009
82. S.McSweyn, 12:56.50, 2022
94. B.Kennedy, 12:58.21, 1996
101. M Tegenkamp, 12:58.56, 2009
African Heritage or Caribbean:
14. M.Ahmed Canada, 12:47.20
31. M Katir, Spain, 12:50.79
37. J.Knight, Canada, 12:51.93 (Caribbean heritage)
U.S.A. rules in this department with 7 monsters. 1 Norwegian, 1 German, 2 Aussies. Go U.S.A.
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Ghost1 wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Andreas would have pencilled himself into a select group of 12 non Africans, or African heritage athletes to run under 13:00.00. One Caribbean heritage athlete in there, J.Knight (Canada), 12:51.93.
World leader: Cheptegei 12:35.36
12. Fisher 12:46.96, 2022
15. J.Ingebrigtsen 12:48.45, 2021
59. W.Kincaid 12:54.40, 2023
62. D.Baumann 12:54.70, 1997
68. J.Klecker 12:55.16, 2023
70. C.Solinsky 12:55.53, 2010
73. C.Mottram, 12:55.76, 2004
78.D.Ritzenhein, 12:56.27, 2009
82. S.McSweyn, 12:56.50, 2022
94. B.Kennedy, 12:58.21, 1996
101. M Tegenkamp, 12:58.56, 2009
African Heritage or Caribbean:
14. M.Ahmed Canada, 12:47.20
31. M Katir, Spain, 12:50.79
37. J.Knight, Canada, 12:51.93 (Caribbean heritage)
U.S.A. rules in this department with 7 monsters. 1 Norwegian, 1 German, 2 Aussies. Go U.S.A.
Correction - Select group of 11, non African, or African and Caribbean heritage athletes.
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He looked smooth. 12:55-56 minimum.
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cramberrys wrote:
He looked smooth. 12:55-56 minimum.
Give him a couple of years and he may be a Jakob contender in several events!
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Marc Scott (GBR) 12:57.08
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Marc Scott (GBR) 12:57.08
Oops, sorry….indoors….
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Ghost1 wrote:
I am crying for the great Swede as it looks like he missed a great opportunity to run well under 13 minutes and he was right in contention with the best runners until 12 minutes and 17 seconds in the race when he suddenly fell down. Not sure who tripped him up but obviously it was not intentional in the heat of the moment.
In Swedish interview right after the race he was devastated and told some runner spiked him and he lost balance and stepped on the track incline and fell. He told he felt completely fresh before the last lap and probably had finished fast at around 12:52....had been a great Swedish record ( he is the record holder of 13:01 ). So,so unlucky indeed....
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He would definitely have been in the 12:55-57 pack. Bad luck for him. Pretty sure he got a shove from Fisher before Kelcker ran into the back of him as he was going down
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est un autre wrote:
cramberrys wrote:
He looked smooth. 12:55-56 minimum.
Give him a couple of years and he may be a Jakob contender in several events!
Are you Swedish?
So you think 27 year old Almgren has more room for improvement that 22 year old Jakob?
By the way: Which events are thinking about? Jakob is more than 10 seconds faster than Andreas in both the 1500m, the 3000m and the 5000m.
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High hopes wrote:
He would definitely have been in the 12:55-57 pack. Bad luck for him. Pretty sure he got a shove from Fisher before Kelcker ran into the back of him as he was going down
No. It was Mo Ahmed. It's always Mo Ahmed.
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Don't know too much about him but I believe Almgren had a very different development vs Jakob. Almgren was running 1:45 800s when he was a teen and focus early on was probably for him to be a specialist in that event. Not 1500 or 5000
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Almgren was running extremely well.
Clearly not coached by JS 🧙♂️🍆
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igx wrote:
Almgren was running extremely well.
Clearly not coached by JS 🧙♂️🍆
J.S. has his own merits and followers. Thank you.
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Ghost1 wrote:
igx wrote:
Almgren was running extremely well.
Clearly not coached by JS 🧙♂️🍆
J.S. has his own merits and followers. Thank you.
Oh I know you are his fan, begging him on facebook to post here more often.
Honestly, it's very disappointing that all he wants is quick fame. And for that he is always on the hunt for talented Africans, while doing absolutely nothing to develop athletes in Sweden.
He gives the excuse of how clubs work, etc. Nothing is stopping him from coaching his countrymen and women privately. But he won't get his quick fame that way.
Why you admire this man is a mystery to me.
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Urban aruhn.
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objectiveobserver wrote:
est un autre wrote:
Give him a couple of years and he may be a Jakob contender in several events!
Are you Swedish?
So you think 27 year old Almgren has more room for improvement that 22 year old Jakob?
By the way: Which events are thinking about? Jakob is more than 10 seconds faster than Andreas in both the 1500m, the 3000m and the 5000m.
I’m Norwegian… And I think Jakob hasn’t peaked yet at all.. But Andreas has struggled with injuries, and his pb in the 1500m isn’t representative (check out his pbs -400 / 800m; better speed than Jakob). And clearly in sub 13 shape…
I wrote contender -that doesn’t mean I think he will beat his Norwegian colleague, but who knows… Running isn’t mathematics -if it was I think Almgren could outrun Jakob from 400m to 10000m (because of better speed and maybe similar endurance)… As a Norwegian I have always rooted for Jakob, and still do, but a Swedish surprise is extremely welcome! And 27 is no age… And I don’t think Jakob feels threatened at all -he apparently wants to twist out of him all his potential, and if somebody later comes with even better records so be it…
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Ghost1 wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Absolute monster times from a range of distances from 100 m up and a very impressive 800, 1:45.59, from many years ago. Very impressive running action.
Andreas would have pencilled himself into a select group of 12 non Africans, or African heritage athletes to run under 13:00.00. One Caribbean heritage athlete in there, J.Knight (Canada), 12:51.93.
World leader: Cheptegei 12:35.36
12. Fisher 12:46.96, 2022
15. J.Ingebrigtsen 12:48.45, 2021
59. W.Kincaid 12:54.40, 2023
62. D.Baumann 12:54.70, 1997
68. J.Klecker 12:55.16, 2023
70. C.Solinsky 12:55.53, 2010
73. C.Mottram, 12:55.76, 2004
78.D.Ritzenhein, 12:56.27, 2009
82. S.McSweyn, 12:56.50, 2022
94. B.Kennedy, 12:58.21, 1996
101. M Tegenkamp, 12:58.56, 2009
African Heritage or Caribbean:
14. M.Ahmed Canada, 12:47.20
31. M Katir, Spain, 12:50.79
37. J.Knight, Canada, 12:51.93 (Caribbean heritage)
You forgot to write in Luis Grijalva’s 12:52.97. He wasn’t born anywhere near Africa’s .
it was very sad he went down with less than a lap Togo, certainly a sub 13 was going to happen. He ran smart and looked good until he fell.
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