All ready the Irish Boys champion, will John Coghlan, son of the legendary 7-time Wannamaker Miler champion Eammon (Eamon?) Coghlan, win in the stacked HS Mile field at Madison Square Garden?
Will we see a new Chairman of the Boards?
Will the Americans Mark Amirault, Brian Rhodes-Devey, and Dan McMannon be able to beat him?
Good God this is going to be a great race. . . What's everybody think?
I think there is one set of rules for the beautiful people and a separate set of rules for everyone else
huh?
considering that coughlins son is a 4:21 miler, and he's going up against a bunch of guys that have run 4:11-4:13, not to mention the fact that he's never run on an indoor track - let alone a 160 yd garden oval...
i'd say his chances aren't very good.
not a chance will this kid win, he will get blown away, him and his blue hair..
His hair is no longer blue. I ran against him last thursday in the West Leinster schools x-country race to qualify for the Leinsters and he won it very comfortably. I don't think he'll win, or even come in the top three, but I don't think his current best times for the 1500/mile(4.03/4.21) reflect how good he really is.
good to see him run abroad.the experience will be great for him.never easy following in such great foot steps.big step forward for him to win irish schools 1500m in great finish.
good luck.
I disagree with Coghlan's son getting in the field if it's only because of his name. It'd mean a deserving kid is left out.
ttc wrote:
I disagree with Coghlan's son getting in the field if it's only because of his name. It'd mean a deserving kid is left out.
what deserving kid?
the selection criteria is very well laid out by the millrose committee:
1. invitations at the discretion of the meet director
2. winners of the new balance h.s. mile
3. winners of the hispanic games h.s. mile
4. field filled with remaining top times
everyone knows in advance what the criteria is. any "deserving" kid is free to run as fast as he wants, or to enter and try and win the new balance or hispanic games races.
suppose the hispanic games race went out real slow, and a slower kid won on a kick? would a "deserving" kid be left out because he's run faster? nope - too bad, so sad.
there will always be a "first person not to make it" - in any situation.
and though coughlin's son is slower than some of the top guys in the race, he's not that far behind the back guys. he ran 4:03 1500 last june. if you took the june PR's of a bunch of the guys in the field, you'd have a couple of guys who hadn't run faster than 4:25 mile!
he won't win this thing, but i don't think he'll embarass himself either. i'd be willing to be he's not last.
smarter than pat lenahan wrote:
ttc wrote:I disagree with Coghlan's son getting in the field if it's only because of his name. It'd mean a deserving kid is left out.
what deserving kid?
the selection criteria is very well laid out by the millrose committee...
I'm not saying Coghlan got greased in, because I have no idea about his or others' credentials. But it's not unheard of for a famous name in any sport or event getting an advantage. Hopefully the credentials you mentioned were the only criteria, and Coghlan didn't get in the back door. I suspected foul-play though when an above poster stated his PR relative to the others'. Far as winning a slow race, etc... I'm sure Coghlan's been in plenty of fast ones. Anyway, I'm just speculating, but still skeptical.
B-1600 4:11.67 c McManamon, Dan, 2006, Shenendehowa NY 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 1 NY Armory
B-1600 4:11.69 c Rhodes-Devey, Brian, 2007, Guilderland NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 1 NY Armory
B-1600 4:13.62 c Kiley, Greg, 2006, Saratoga NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 2 NY Armory
B-1600 4:14.17 c White, Charles, 2008, Garden City NY 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 2 NY Armory
B-1600 4:14.18 c Amirault, Mark, 2007, Xaverian MA 1/7/2006, Dartmouth - HS NH, # 2
B-1600 4:14.82 c Bean, Alex, 2006, Somers NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 4 NY Armory
B-1600 4:15.31 c Shaffer, Matt, 2006, Bethlehem NY 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 3 NY Armory
B-1600 4:15.33 c Murdock, Steve, 2007, Saratoga NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 5 NY Armory
B-1600 4:15.51 c Taye, Ayalew, 2006, Cushing Academy MA 1/22/2006, GBTC Invite MA, # Harvard U.
B-1600 4:16.09 c Kelsey, Greg, 2006, Saratoga Springs NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 6 NY Armory
B-1600 4:16.33 c Polgar, David, 2006, Newton North MA 12/24/2005, BU All Comers MA, # Boston U.
B-1600 4:17 c Taye, Sintayehu, 2008, Cushing Academy MA 1/22/2006, GBTC Invite MA, # Harvard U.
B-1600 4:17.32 c Williams, Byron, 2006, Ridgewood NJ 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 7 NY Armory
B-1600 4:17.66 c Ward, Tradelle, 2006, Griswold CT 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 5 NY Armory
B-1600 4:18.15 c Gillin, Matlack, 2006, Springfield PA 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 6 NY Armory
B-1600 4:18.23 c Cator, Mike, 2006, Ridgewood NJ 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 7 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:13.17 McManamon, Dan, 2006, Shenendehowa NY 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 1 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:13.19 Rhodes-Devey, Brian, 2007, Guilderland NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 1 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:14.81 Kiley, Greg, 2006, Saratoga NY 1/21/2006, Yale Classic CT, # 1 Coxe Cage, Yale U.
B-Mile 4:14.96 Kelsey, Greg, 2006, Saratoga Springs NY 1/21/2006, Yale Classic CT, # 2 Coxe Cage, Yale U.
B-Mile 4:15.67 White, Charles, 2008, Garden City NY 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 2 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:15.68 Amirault, Mark, 2007, Xaverian MA 1/7/2006, Dartmouth - HS NH, # 2
B-Mile 4:15.9 Stoutenburgh, Isaac, 2006, Crater Central Point OR 1/14/2006, UW College WA, # 1 Dempsey Indoor
B-Mile 4:16.32 Bean, Alex, 2006, Somers NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 4 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:16.81 Shaffer, Matt, 2006, Bethlehem NY 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 3 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:16.83 Murdock, Steve, 2007, Saratoga NY 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 5 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:17.01 Taye, Ayalew, 2006, Cushing Academy MA 1/22/2006, GBTC Invite MA, # Harvard U.
B-Mile 4:17.83 Polgar, David, 2006, Newton North MA 12/24/2005, BU All Comers MA, # Boston U.
B-Mile 4:18.5 Taye, Sintayehu, 2008, Cushing Academy MA 1/22/2006, GBTC Invite MA, # Harvard U.
B-Mile 4:18.63 Webb, Tom, 2006, Bishop Hendricken RI 1/21/2006, Yale Classic CT, # 4 Coxe Cage, Yale U.
B-Mile 4:18.82 Williams, Byron, 2006, Ridgewood NJ 1/7/2006, Hispanic Games NY, # 7 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:19.04 Schroeder, John, 2006, Nashua North NH 1/7/2006, Dartmouth - HS NH, # 3
B-Mile 4:19.16 Ward, Tradelle, 2006, Griswold CT 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 5 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:19.65 Gillin, Matlack, 2006, Springfield PA 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 6 NY Armory
B-Mile 4:19.73 Cator, Mike, 2006, Ridgewood NJ 1/21/2006, New Balance Games NY, # 7 NY Armory
here's where he goes to school
Flash Results, Inc.
Reebok Boston Indoor Games - 1/29/2005
Reggie Lewis Track and Athletic Center
Boston, MA
Event 7 Boys 1 Mile Run Jr. Invit.
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Alley Start, Pos 1-6 on back row, 7-11 on front row
Name Year Team Finals
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Finals
1 Michael Coe USA 4:07.30
2 Ciaran O’Lionaird IRL 4:09.41
3 AJ Acosta USA 4:10.32
4 Dan McManamon USA 4:10.72
5 Kris Gauson SCO 4:11.41
6 Ayalew Taye US/ETH 4:11.44
7 Justin Harbor USA 4:12.68
8 Sintayehu Taye US/ETH 4:12.89
9 Duncan Phillips USA 4:13.19
10 Mark Mitchell SCO 4:13.42
11 Brian Rhodes-Devey USA 4:13.59
12 Greg Kelsey USA 4:15.35
13 Ben White USA 4:16.27
14 Jacob Cosby USA 4:26.44
ttc wrote:
I disagree with Coghlan's son getting in the field if it's only because of his name. It'd mean a deserving kid is left out.
If you think the field at big meets -- any big meet, anywhere in the world -- is filled up by going down a list of personal or seasonal bests in order, you're in for a surprise. Meet directors try to assemble fields with diverse ingredients, interesting plotlines, local favorites, and so on.
Coghlan Jr. provides an international runner for the US kids to run against -- something that adds interest for the crowd. And given his dad's history at Millrose, he's pseudo-local: lots of people will enjoy seeing him in the field for the memories he conjures up.
Don't get me wrong -- I agree this can be very frustrating. I've certainly been in the position many times of arguing to get into races or fast heats over less-qualified athletes who have better connections or better agents. But as a fan, I think it makes sense for meet directors to nurture rivalries and diversity in their races.
What is a "deserving kid", the fastest HS runner? If so should the race be filled with Kenyan kids? No, best have local interest, support local kids. However, Coghlan senior has supported the Millrose games for a long time, he even staged an attempt at sub 4 over 40 there. So what if the organisors gave a place to John Coghlan, as thanks for all the support his father gave to them. Thats the real world, athletes get in races for lots of reasons. John Coghlan is very good runner, younger than most others in the race and improvinbg at a fast rate. His times may not be fast as the others but he can race. He won the Irish schools with a kick from behind, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
99th Millrose Games
Feb 3, 2006 at Madison Square Garden, New York City
Selection policies for high school boys and girls miles.
from the selection committees
Two of the featured events at the Millrose Games are the “Boys One Mile Run” (contested since 1974), and the “Girls One Mile Run” (contested since 1984). Each of these events brings together, by special invitation, eight (8) of the top scholastic milers in the East to race at New York City’s famous Madison Square Garden. The Millrose Games celebrates its 99 th edition on Friday, February 3, 2006.
These are “scholastic events” sanctioned by National Federation of State High School Associations and the State of New York. Therefore, all competitors must represent their school and wear their school’s team uniform.
The Millrose Games’ long-established policy for selecting competitors is based on evaluating each candidate’s “ One Mile Performance Profile”, which includes:
- Honors Won. (i. e. winning and placing high in major [interstate] meets)
- Win-Loss Record against other top prep milers
- Time Performances at ONE MILE, 1500m, and 1600m.
- Rankings on National and Eastern Performance Lists.
We review each potential candidate’s array of performances in major meets, beginning with the 2005 indoor season, with particular emphasis on State Championships, National Scholastic Indoor Championship (NY Armory), and Nike Indoor Nationals ( Landover, MD). Outdoors, our focus is on 2005 State Championships, as well as “major interstate meets”: Arcadia, Penn Relays, Hartford, Loucks, etc., with primary emphasis on “end-of-season” competitions such as the Golden West Invitational, Nike Outdoor Nationals, USATF Junior Nationals, USATF Youth Championships, Junior Olympics and various State “Summer Games”.
By early Fall we will have identified two groups of candidates. Our “A” List consists of the elite 2005 underclass milersranked by Track &Field News and DyeStatamong all the USA’s top 10-15 for the mile (plus 1,500/1,600m converted.) For the boys, that usually means sub-4:11. For the girls, that usually means sub-4:50. In December, we will contact these nationally-ranked milers to determine their interest, availability, and authorization to participate. In most years, only 1 or 2 of this group commits to compete—in which case their Millrose Games invitation is confirmed.
Our “B” List consists of the additional top 10-15 returning milers within the East (ME--VA) as ranked by DyeStat. For boys, that usually means sub-4:21 indoors or sub-4:18 outdoors. For girls, that usually means: sub-5:05 indoors or sub-5:00 outdoors. Although we review major 2005 cross country meets, it should be stressed that winning and/or setting course records at these meets is NOT a significant factor in selecting Millrose Games Mile contestants, as often the best 5,000m harriers are not top-quality milers.
In December, as the 2005-6 indoor season gets underway, it’s “show time” for these “B” List milers to produce a mile performance, on or before January 21, 2006, that ranks them at the top of all scholastic milers in the East. Again, we emphasize that one mile performances [only] in “major interstate meets” carry considerably more weight than those in small, local meets. Also, it should be noted that performances in non-scholastic events or “Open” meets will NOT be considered for a Millrose invitation.
These Eastern “major interstate meets” (listed below) in which most of our leading “B” List candidates will compete, are attended or monitored by our Invitations Directors, or their representatives. Many of these meets are limited to competitors from immediate bordering states, so you must check with each respective Meet Director [Contact] to determine whether your entry will be accepted.
We emphasize that winning the Mile (or placing in top 2-3-4) at these designated meets does not ensure an invitation to the Millrose Games—other than the two automatic qualifying meets specified below . For example, winning the Yale Invitational Boys Mile in 4:21.2, while several others have run sub-4:18.5 at any of the earlier 2005-2006 Indoor Meets would considerably lessen that individual’s chances of being selected.
As was our procedure in 2004 and 2005, we are selecting two competitors from two major meets as “automatic qualifiers”: The Hispanic Games on January 7th and New Balance Games on January 21st—both conducted at the New York City Armory Track & Field Center. In each of these meets, the winner of the Boys and Girls One Mile events will be automatically selected to participate in the 2006 Millrose Games Invitational H.S. Mile races.
Finally, a ll accepted invitees in the Boys and Girls High School Miles must agree NOT to compete in any scheduled meet after Sunday, January 29th, to ensure being in peak condition. Failure to comply with this provision of the selection process will result in our invitation to compete in the 2006 Millrose Games being immediately withdrawn.
LARRY BYRNE
Boys Invitations Director
401-738-4232 or
JIM SPIER
Girls Invitations Director
919-490-5206 or
2005-6 Major Eastern High School INDOOR Meets or Meets with High School Events
Saturday, December 17 ~ 52nd BISHOP LOUGHLIN GAMES . “Season opener” at NY Armory Track & Field Center, 168th St. & Broadway, NYC ~ 6-lane banked 200m Mondo Track. Contact: Ed Bowes @ 718-857-2700 ext. 2233 or Mike Botti @ 718-788-0716
Saturday, December 17 ~ HOWARD COUNTY WINTER TRACK FESTIVAL . Prince Georges County Sports Complex, Landover, MD Top competitors from MD, DC, VA, PA & DE only. 200m flat track used for the Nike Indoor Nationals. Contact : Norman Belden @ (W) 410-880-5988… (H) 410-992-4429… (C} 410-917-8010 or
Tue-Wed, December 27-28 ~ SETON HALL GAMES . Brennan Field House, Seton Hall University, South Orange, NJ Individual events, including B&G Mile on 12/27. Relays on 12/28. Contact: Marian Johnson @ 201-761-9561
Thu-Fri, December 29-30 ~ 24 TH BROWN UNIVERSITY INVITATIONAL . Olney-Margolies Fieldhouse, Brown University, Providence, RI. DMR on 12/29…other Varsity running events & B&G Mile on 12/30. (200m flat synthetic track- spikes OK). Contact: Bob Rothenberg @ 401-863-1041 or
Saturday, January 7 ~ 37 th DARTMOUTH RELAYS . Leverone Field House, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH. Top H.S. competitors from 8 states & Canada (200m flat synthetic- spikes OK). Contact : Barry Harwick @ 603-646-2540 or
Saturday, January 7 ~ 12 TH CITIBANK HISPANIC GAMES . NY Armory Track & Field Center. “Automatic Qualifier”. 6-lane banked 200m Mondo track. 18th St. & Broadway, NYC, Contact: Louie Vasquez @ 212-923-1803 ext. 14
Saturday, January 14~ MONTGOMERY INDOOR INVITATIONAL . Prince Georges County Sports Complex, Landover, MD. Top competitors from MD, DC, VA, PA, DE, and WV only . 200m flat track used to host the Nike Indoor Nationals. Contact: Tom Rogers @ (c) 240-476-1720 or (H) 301-770-7292 or
Saturday, January 14 ~ ARCHBISHOP MOLLOY-STANNER GAMES . NY Armory Track & Field Center. 6-lane banked 200m Mondo track. 168th St & Broadway, NYC. Contact: Joe Dombrowski @ 718-441-2100 (school) or 718-849-8251 (Fax) or
Fri-Sat, January 20-21 ~ 24 TH YALE TRACK CLASSIC . Coxe Cage, Yale University, New Haven, CT. (NEW 200m BANKED synthetic track-spikes OK) Top HS competitors from 8 states. DMR on 1/20. B & G Mile on 1/21. Contact: Dan Ireland (Boys) @ 203-432-1404…or…Mark Young (Girls) @ 203-432-1405
Saturday, January 21 ~ 11 th NEW BALANCE GAMES . NY Armory Track & Field Center. “Automatic Qualifier” -- 6-lane banked 200m Mondo track. 168th St. & Broadway, NYC. Contact: Louie Vasquez @ 212-923-1803 ext. 14
** PLEASE NOTE: Saturday, January 21 is the last day performances will be considered for selection for the Invitational Boys and Girls High School Mile Races at the 2006 Millrose Games on Friday, February 3rd at Madison Square Garden.
For questions, contact:
LARRY BYRNE
Boys Invitations Director
401-738-4232 or
JIM SPIER
Girls Invitations Director
919-490-5206 or
“TO RANK WITH ‘EM...YOU’VE GOT TO COMPETE WITH ‘EM”...per Neil Kerr, Editor/NYSSWA
The Millrose Games is not a charity, its not a democracy and its not a meritocracy. Its a business. Coughlans kid will sell more tickets than any kid in this country deserving or otherwise.
according to the "policy" it is based on merit
of course, BS Detector may have inside information about the "policy"
according to USATF, Coghlan has never run on an indoor track
Last time I checked, Millrose was an invitational. This means they can "invite" anyone they want. If TTC et al have a problem with this, start your own invitational. This is opposed to the so called "national championships" that Nike puts on which are in reality, invitationals as there are no qualifying procedures. Cross country is by selection of dubious accuracy and track times are not verified.
too bad you can't read