Whose run was less believable, Hassan's or Kiptum's?

Most believable and predictable is that we would see a thread like this.

I believe that both thing’s actually occurred. I think they are equally true with one event not being any less real than the other event.

There are many things I don’t believe though, like I don’t think Sasquatch or the Loch Ness Monster are real. If that helps you figure out your own sense of reality?

Ask Rojo.

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Experts: Sub-2-Hour Marathon Not Coming Soon

Staff

Despite how close runners are to the magic mark, it doesn't seem possible right now.

Link:www.podiumrunner.com/events/experts-su...

This is the full 2013 LetsRun editorial quoted.

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The Myth Of The Sub-2-Hour Marathon

Robert Johnson

By Robert Johnson April 25, 2013, Published May 6, 2013 Editor's note: This was written shortly after the 2013 Virgin London marathon, where the lead men

Link:www.letsrun.com/news/2013/05/the-myth-...

This was written pre super shoes. So he was correct. He didn’t predict super shoes would be the cause but he was correct that we were nowhere near a 2hr marathon unless something new came out

13:49/59:47. Lol. No coach. Out of no where to be the best in the world.

I blame London for enabling this nonsense by inviting him. Can we ban athletes living and training in Kenya yet?

It doesn’t surprise me that someone with Hassan’s Gold medal ability in shorter distances that would be able to hang on to the lead pack. Once the leaders let that happen, it was no surprise that the world record holder in the mile would win in a sprint finish.

Kiptum, on the other hand, looked like something entirely freakish, especially with that second 21K. But we’ve seen others run 2:01:xx on fast courses before, including him, so it’s not entirely unheard of.

I know what you’re getting at, though.

People thought I was joking when I predicted 1:59 for the win. If he even splits this he would’ve gone sub 2.

Even Nike doesn’t want to touch this with a 10ft pole.

Everyone but kipchoge. He’s a nice guy so must be clean (although seemed to displaying some roid rage during his press conference after Boston).

Is the OP suggesting it was all CGI?

Clocked an 8:50 between mile 20 and 22. Lol.

The marathon can't continue to be a haven for overmatched athletes who somehow become adored. It's like being fascinated by the guy who keeps going until he cleans every window in the complex.

You did not read the same post that I did. And I quote: “It probably won’t happen in my lifetime and I’m 39. There’s zero chance it happens before I’m 50. I’d be willing to bet anyone all of my eventual monthly social security checks I’ll get in 25 years that it hasn’t happened by the time I’m 65 as well.”

I think any who reads that should reasonably conclude that he never thought a sub 2 marathon would occur. Period. It was completely wrong.

You mean you were correct?

The answer is simple. Kiptum's.

Hassan's win while a surprise isn't suspicious for me at all. She very much looked human. She didn't dust anyone with ease. The end of race mile splits were mind-blowing slow. If I told you before the race that after a 68:30 1st half that 4 women would hit 40k together on 2:18 pace, I don't think anyone would have believed in their wildest dreams that if you just averaged 5:35 mile pace from 40k to the finish, you'd win by 4 seconds. That's what Hassan did today.

She slowed down over the second half, lucky for her, everyone else slowed down even more. It was really kind of stunning how slow everyone else was closing. I kept waiting for maybe a sub-5 mile certainly sub 5:15 and the mile splits were going up close to 6.

Kiptum was UNREAL. To put nearly 3 minutes on the field in 12.195k is crazy. He ran 27:50 from 30k to 40k as you pointed out. Self-coached. I really hope he's clean as that was amazing to watch. To watch him just sprinting in that final stretch reminded me of the opening scene to that Haile G movie 20 years ago. So cool.

Kiptum's performance was far more freakish.

While Hassan's was unconventional, and she won against a great field, her time was not outside of the realms of possibility - given her talent. Once she caught the group, she won it in the way that you'd expect a track athlete to win - with superior speed in the last 100m. She made a few mistakes, but you could tell she still feared the marathon.

Kiptum, on the other hand, showed the event absolutely no respect. He went a long way out - off a pace that was already fast - and didn't take his foot off the gas until the finish. He put 3 minutes into 2nd place in the last 12k. The guys he beat aren't chumps either; these are some of the best runners in history.

Ingebrigtsen's performances have been less believable.

So he is self-coached and 23. Imagine if he was born 50 years earlier. Presumably he isn't doing anything better training wise than the elites 50 years ago were doing, or possibly worse. The WR 50 years ago was 2:09:28. Even if you think the shoes make a massive 3 minute difference, he would still be running 6 minutes faster than the WR, with more to come.

I wouldn't ban all Kenyans because those running the 2:06s,2:07s and 2:09s are likely clean. But to come from nowhere and run 2:01 is completely ridiculous. Let's put this into perspective. This the same as someone nobody had seen before suddenly running 9.60 for the 100m or 3:26.04 for 1500m or 6.20 in PV. Nobody's don't suddenly do this. Because the logic exposes the fraud, why wouldn't they being doing this at an earlier time and earning millions with their outlier talent? The answer is that the talent is new. Then we ask where did they get this new talent?