Trump Indicted

Even his most energetic supporters know he wasn't being truthful, but they've gotten so used to letting his BS go.

But did they GET used to it, or were they strangely tolerant of it from the get-go? I think the latter. And yet they still have any self respect remaining.

trump's most energetic voters don't think trump is dishonest - they would never admit that. They believe everything he says. It's a cult - dont' overthink it.

Sure, some moderate Dems would say 'yeah he's full of bs but I like his policies so I'll vote for him anyway.' but m'aga would never say that.

Or, as we've seen in this very thread, there are those who would deny they are Trump true-believers, and even admit to "not preferring" Trump, who would say that, as grotesque as he clearly is, the alternatives, no matter who they are or what they do, always manage to be worse.

Imagine what this would say about the state of US society and it's institutions if it were actually true. It's no wonder that some of these same people are busy granting themselves and their ilk permission to do terrible things in the name of "saving the country".

If we define it as his "most energetic" voters, than sure, some relatively small fraction of Trumpers ACTUALLY believe he's not a huge liar.

But, put the 30-35% of this country who are SOMEWHERE on the cult Trump spectrum in a corner and ask them, AT RISK OF DEATH, whether he's a liar, and you get what? A significant majority admitting that he lies a lot.

I think that most of them know that. They just don't care. At worst, it's because they LIKE it. It's getting the libs, and by any means necessary. At best, which isn't saying much, it's something that you EASILY tolerate from him because.....he's getting the libs.

Put a different way, I think that very few are actually brainwashed (enough) to believe that Trump is a decent human being. But the great majority HAS been talked into believing (~brainwashed?) that the "other side" is SO bad that pretty much anything on their side is OK. We see it from the morons on this site daily.

The best way to view the current state of the GOP voter under Trump is simply as an outing of the fact that the GOP was never who they said they were.

For years, people were of the belief that the GOP was for family, law and order, love of country, strong morals, patriotism yada, yada, yada.

Most people knew it was complete unadulterated BS, but their inextinguishable cult like support of Trump has exposed the GOP voter for who they are. But they will all come back to Trump publicly again when they see he is the GOP and will be the nominee. It will not matter what Trump says or how many indictments he faces. Nor will it matter how batsh!t crazy he keeps posting.

Donald's door to electability is closing in his face.

people.com

See the Viral Moment as Door Closes in Donald Trump's Face When He Enters Courtroom

https://www.facebook.com/peoplemag

A video captured by the Associated Press shows former President Donald Trump trailing behind a group of law enforcement officers who did not bother to hold the door open for him before heading into court.

Link:people.com/politics/door-closes-on-don...

I see only one person crying like a petulant child in that picture and it is not the court workers.

I guess that a lot of "libs" can take a bow about "knowing what the GOP was all about" all those years. But I didn't. On the one hand, sure, I know that they could justifiably be criticized on a number of things that one could put under the banner of "NOT a kinder, gentler party." But, before Trump, I didn't know the following. And few if any prominent R politicians ever took ANYWHERE NEAR these positions:

- The FBI, CIA, IRS, etc. are HORRIBLE, evil, Deep State organizations, and should be abolished.

- Putin's a good guy. I'll even very publicly side with him over US intel.

- NATO is HORRIBLE. Get rid of it. Mock and deride our best decades or centuries-old allies.

- Shamelessly and transparently lie EVERY DAY.

- Blow off a pandemic. Make it pretty clear that you don't care if tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans die.

- Try to steal a presidential election. Screw democracy.

- Treat reams of TS documents as mere party favors at your club? No problem.

I didn't know that the GOP and its voters were capable of ANY of these things. And so much more.

It's amazing how willing GOP voters are to overlook the fact that he is just such a habitual and consistent liar. I can't believe they are dumb enough to believe these sorts of claims, of which there were hundreds of examples since 2015, always involving people "crying" or being in total awe of him, or coming up to him and saying "sir..." to the point where people live-tweeting his events would just say, "Trump is telling a Sir Story about..." His supporters can't be dumb enough to believe those sorts of stories, and yet I guess they were willing to believe he was telling the truth about the IMPORTANT things like building a wall or caring about the little guy or any of the crap he claimed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act would do for regular people. I guess if you turn off your brain some of the time, it's just as well as turning it off all the time. People who stick by him in 2023 deserve him, I say, and I'm far from being a dyed-in-the-wool liberal either.

The GOP went through a dramatic change the moment Obama was elected. Prior to that point, it was a party of coalitions based on the things that you listed. Once Obama was elected, it became a party based mostly on identity. You can see this in the dramatic changes in party ID in the south.

Being a party based mostly on identity means that the GOP is not really tied to any particular policy or ideological consistently.

Trump's story about Ron Desantis begging with tears in his eyes 'please help me sir" is 100% Trump. You have to listen to this.

vanityfair.com

Trump Claims Ron DeSantis Shed Actual Tears While Begging for His Endorsement

Bess Levin

“There were tears coming down from his eyes.”

Link:www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/02/donald...

No doubt about that, see for example the poll that showed the same percentage of Democratic voters were for/against intervening in Syria in both the Obama and Trump eras, but that the numbers totally flipped among Republican voters, going from overwhelmingly against under Obama to overwhelmingly for under Trump when he indicated support for it. See also the 2020 "platform" that was just saying, whatever Trump wants, we want. Unfortunately I think there's a similar identity-based/purity alignment coming up on the left, though they so far are only a part of the Democratic coalition and not the whole party.

It's like he's so comfortable in grift mode that he is down to just five elements to insert into his lies in some combination or other. Crying, "sir," "came up to me," begging, in awe of my brilliance / no one ever thought of my idea before I came along. This story has 3 or 4 of them, depending on if you check the box for "came up to me.

LOL!

yahoo.com

Viktor Bout, the 'Merchant of Death' arms dealer exchanged for Brittney Griner, says he fears for Trump's life and urged him to flee to Russia

Bout said he wired a telegram to Trump warning him that his "life is in peril" and invited him to seek "safe haven" in Russia.

Link:www.yahoo.com/news/viktor-bout-merchan...

Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg played 3D chess. 1 year ago he held back on the tax fraud/property valuation criminal case in New York. People gave him crap for that. But yesterday Trump testified in the civil version of the same case (Letitia James). Trump answered questions because if he plead the 5th in his deposition for the civil case, the jury would have been told to infer guilt. 3D chess player Bragg can now use Trump's own words in testimony under oath in the CRIMINAL version of the same case! This would not have happened if Bragg had gone ahead with the criminal case 1 year ago, because the civil case would have been paused to let the criminal case go first.