Anyone who's upset about superspikes is just mad they didn't get a chance to set a PR with them

I truly don't think the spikes do more than help you recover better so you get fitter.

Like I'm sure these guys would've ran slower running on cinder tracks in leather spikes daily and then slipped on dragonflys for the race day

Whoever can't set a PR with whatever kind of spikes is past their peak. Whoever can, and believes the spikes had anything to do with it, is a sucker.

Take that back, Beach Dick!

I’m a fast HSer (between 4:05 and 4:07) and would be probably 4:07 without the shoes. I get very good energy return so they don’t help me as much, but there are guys as slow as like 4:12 who are running 4:08-4:09

"the shoes help people who aren't me" cope

I’m a Masters sprinter and my Maxfly’s bubble popped last week and I have a major comp next week.

Could only get the Victory’s.

Tonight I ran a 180m and 150m more than 0.5s better than ever for both.

These things are super light and feel like springs on my feet.

Lots of reviews are saying they are no good for anything under 400 but I’m going to race 1/2/4 in them next week after how they went tonight.

My Achilles usually gets very tender after training recently but absolutely no issues after training in the Victory’s, probably because of the softer heel, so so good.

I just "adjust" (lie about) my PRs for what I think they would have been in Supershoes. The more mental gymnastics we do about how these shoes are cheating, the faster my PRs get. I can't lose!

The Dragonflies and other 'superspikes' are only an incremental improvement on what came before. Track spikes were already very good. People see relatively soft indoor and NCAA records going down all the time now, but the top level outdoor performances haven't moved nearly as much.

On the other hand, the Vaporfly was truly revolutionary and the road shoes are light years better than they were five years ago. Getting to train in the supershoes, combined with advances in recovery technology and the effects of Covid, plus the marginal benefit of the spikes, all contribute to the current situation. But anyone who thinks they could've just put on a pair of Dragonflies and knocked off five seconds from their mile PR a decade ago is deluding themselves.

But, how do we compare those times to those that were on cinder tracks, with leather shoes, and then all surface, with no super shoes?

It’s not a matter of whether or not Sper Shoes work. They do.
The problem is what is the motivation of someone who’s competitive days are over talking about the shoes?

They want you to tell them how great they would have been.

LET IT GO. You sound pathetic.

Little realized facts. There was no immediate improvement in times when All-weather tracks became the norm. Took many years for WRs to be broken after all-weather came out and it was by the smallest of margins when they were. Ryun and Clarke both ran their fastest times on cinder despite the fact that they raced many times on both. But yeah, keep making a comparison.

Unpopular fact: the only difference between leather shoes and shoes from the 70s, 80s, 90, 2000s is weight and comfort. When compared to leather upper shoes, 2000s era shoes aren't making you run any faster - they're just not slowing you down. Comparing the transition from leather to nylon in relation to differences in super and non-super shoes is not accurate.