I find it near impossible to believe a guy who is running a 4:14 mile, and has struggled consistently for years now in what should have been his prime years, was ever doping when he ran 3:31 for the 1500 at a young age, so that leads me to the honest question, is that 3:30ish neighborhood the limit for non East African men?
Alan Webb, 3:30.4 pre super shoes, Buster Mottram was 3:32 pre super shoes, Gregson was 3:31 pre super shoes...thoughts? So maybe with new upgraded shoes, 3:29.xx?
Ever heard of Norway?
Reasonable question... wrote:
I find it near impossible to believe a guy who is running a 4:14 mile, and has struggled consistently for years now in what should have been his prime years, was ever doping when he ran 3:31 for the 1500 at a young age, so that leads me to the honest question, is that 3:30ish neighborhood the limit for non East African men?
Alan Webb, 3:30.4 pre super shoes, Buster Mottram was 3:32 pre super shoes, Gregson was 3:31 pre super shoes...thoughts? So maybe with new upgraded shoes, 3:29.xx?
I'd say that based on current evidence, no - the 3:30ish neighborhood is not the limit for non East African men.
your logic is that because he is struggling in his prime, but ran fast when young.... that's a sign of not doping? if anything that would be an argument for doping
Idiot wrote:
Ever heard of Norway?
Yeah, lots of asthma there.
Indeed, the title is about "rough clean limits". Then noting the best of the best of the best ever non African ran 3:28, 3:31 has to be a good estimate, like 3:29 for the top clean African.
The fastest non-East African is Hicham El Guerrouj
Not saying that's the clean record tho
quien sabe wrote:
The fastest non-East African is Hicham El Guerrouj
Not saying that's the clean record tho
True. So the OP claims that doping gave him about 4 seconds. Possible. But based on what observations?