Should records at BUs track not count?

Yes… any time you run a PR or a record is broken due to a “fast track” or deep fields they should not count. Only dirt tracks are worth of distance records.

so where is the limit smart guy?

It's a legit question, especially in light of the disparity in the results of yesterdays meets at BU and Lilac.

There was an article about the BU track and how it was constructed last year. It is a fast track.

It’s a slippery slope.

Once we start dictating what tracks can be used for “official” times, where do we stop? There are already shoes that can and can’t be worn but will that be expanded? I’m not one to talk much about times for XC because place is really all that matters but should we state “times on that course don’t count”?

If we do say that times on the BU course shouldn’t count for records, then they can’t count as qualifying times either. Maybe a conversion factor should be derived in the case of using it for qualifying times.

IMO one (partial) solution would be quite simple. Indoor results should not count for outdoor qualifying (and IIRC that's how it used to be until recently although it's also recent that people are faster indoors). So people could still be get excited about great indoor results but "what's run indoors remains indoors" ;)

Indoor is nice to have but not "proper" track and field and because of different constructions tracks are going to be more different than outdoor (where it's only surface). There is also some justified suspicion of extra bounciness for indoor jumps (and of course no wind).

That’s logical - not using indoor times for outdoor qualifying times. I was actually thinking more of using the times for indoor postseason. All collegiate divisions use times during the season to qualify for postseason.

Might as well cancel all Stanford outdoor records and those run in super shoes while you’re at it.

I hate when people say they were told but don’t reveal the source but here I go doing it. I was told by an elite coach that some companies won’t accept the Boston university track for contract time bonuses. Anyone else ever hear that?

Have any of you realized that the people who run fast at BU, are the same people that run fast everywhere else? It's not the track.

Who are the people that only run fast at BU?

Ryan Martins ran 13:33. He had a PR of 14:06 outdoor after 4 years of college running before running his first meet at BU. There are hundreds of results like this.

Ryan Martins ran 13:33. He had a PR of 14:06 outdoor after 4 years of college running before running his first meet at BU. There are hundreds of results like this.

I had a quick look at the WA regulations for indoor tracks. The only thing I could find about the structural support was the following: (Technical Rules Book C Part V)

Part V also references the World Athletics Track and Field Facilities Manual but the section in that (8.1.1.2) just repeats the verbiage in the Technical Rules.

It's a bit like the old rules for shoes which Nike got around by adding a "stability" plate. You can't help wondering if somebody has developed an indoor track design with increased "stability".

Shoes are not the same argument. They’ve already been evaluated and some are legal while some are not.

You mean the same Ryan Martins who two-weeks before finished 29th at the D1 XC championships, and 2nd in the mid-west region? Is it hard to believe that a guy like that is capable of 13:33?

Or, is it logical to assume that after transferring schools he became a different runner?

But wait...Thouy just broke an NCAA record at the Armory. Did they just import the BU track? You can't possibly run fast anywhere but BU!

The best athletes who want to run a fast time indoors go to Boston to do it. Plain and simple, as of right now it is the best indoor track in the world & anybody is welcome to race at it. There are fast outdoor tracks as well...Monaco, etc.

The limit is the certification process.

Is it that the track is bouncy or since it's indoors you've got perfect weather, no wind that outdoor tracks don't always get?