Jackson Heidesch 8:42 two mile

Was really impressive watching him race! I see a sub 4 somewhere outdoors this season if weather is right.

Maybe but not likely. Three times as many college guys will run 8:06 3000 as what break 4 in the mile.

I agree totally, running an 8:42.x two mile does not translate to sub 4 , Cheserek was better than this guy and ran 8:39 two mile and never broke 4:00 in HS

While that may be true, I'd note a couple things. First of all, most college guys who run 8:06 do it in a pack running around that speed - certainly not closing in 28; more likely hanging on with a 31 or 32 second final 200, if 8:06 is their true limit fitness-wise. Second of all, I'd say an 8:42 two mile is worth a couple seconds faster than 8:06.

As far as Iowa running, I cheer for City High more than the Des Moines schools, but it is cool to see anyone from the state running that fast.

First race of the season with so-so pacing. Hard to predict how he progress. Running like a 4:02 is probably more likely... But who knows. Who thought Kessler would go nuts?

Just because you feel something doesn't make it true. There was a meet at Iowa this weekend. The guy who won the slow heat ran 8:07 closing in 29. A guy in the fast heat ran 8:04 closing in 27. The other guy who ran 8:04 closed in 30.

Comparing a high school kid who just beat a sub 4 high school kid by 6 seconds to college kids who train more mileage with better quality training partners is stupid. High school kids tend to do better in the mile than the two mile due to lack of mileage in their training. I don't know Heidesch's training, but I do know that he ran 9:01 for 3200 last year and ran a 4:07 mile. The 9:01 came in a race that he lost to two other kids who squeaked under 9 minutes. Given this, Heidesch seems to be a little better at the mile than two mile, and his cross country races at Nike regionals and nationals showed he had a pretty good kick, outkicking a sub 4 miler in both races. Given all this, I think a sub 4 mile is in the cards for Heidesch on could see him going as low as 3:57. We'll see, though.

His high school has been the best team in the state for 15 years and ranked nationally pretty much every year. The kid has the best coach in the state and comes from a program where not many kids improve in college. That all makes the point that the kid is well trained.

You guys are a little kooky about times:

1 - there are more 4 min hs miles than 8:42 2 miles, so it is a pretty good predictor

2 - if I line up a hypothetical 8:39 New Jersey 2 miler (Ches) against an 8:42 Iowa kid (Heidesch)at Arcadia, I'll get a race for the ages like Young v Sprout, and I'm not sure who will win. 3 second spreads between hs runners at 2 miles don't really mean much.

3 - Heidesch just took 19 seconds off his 2 mile pr! He beat the favored '4 minute miler' in Burns. Of course he now has a chance to lower his mile pr from 4:07 to 4.

Improvements often come in big chunks in high school and even in college, think Hocker and G Fernandez as freshmen.

isnt this the guy that was involved in a track incident where someone got violently shoved to the ground in race?

Hope for sub-4, but don’t expect it, out of respect for the kid more than anything.

Also, small correction: he ran 4:06.14 for the mile last year (with a 58.66 last lap) - http://results.tfmeetpro.com/Big_River_Race_Management/2022_HOKA_Festival_of_Miles/results_10.html#round_1_heat_1

The 4:07 figure might be coming from his time at the state meet, which was a 1600.

Comparing data for HS miles and 2 miles doesn't make sense because there are 10 times as many high level mile races in HS as there are 2 mile races. Of course he has a chance. I say it is unlikely. I predict a 4:02 mile.

You're right...he did run a 4:06 mile...kinda furthering my point, since he just p.r.'ed by around 23 seconds, as his 9:01 was a 3200, not 2 mile.

That's him. He pushed a kid into the rail and the kid responded by punching him. Heidesch was rewarded with a solo run after the meet in which he ended up 3rd in the 800.

Where was this said High school meet in Iowa. Would have gone if I knew about it.

Why is it that the coach always gets credit when ever a HS kid runs well? Maybe we should eliminate the middle man and have the coaches race each other.

Matthew Carmody was not a 13:27 5k runner in high school. I’d say he’s improved just fine in college. This is also the high school that produced Karissa Schweizer. I’m sure Heidesch is well trained, but that’s not a bad thing.

You aren't following. The poster claimed that you can't compare ratios from college to HS because college guys run paced 3000s and struggle home. I provided info from the meet at U of Iowa to show that his strawman is incorrect.