People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
Is that you Rekrunner or Liar Soorer?
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
You can say that about anything in life. A couple of examples:
-If you are not smart you can justify cheating on your SAT's to get into a better school.
-If you are not as talented at biking you should be able to have a conceled motor.
The cheating you mentioned does not involve closing a talent gap. Doping would be equivalent to purchasing a better tutor and reaching a new potential you haven’t realized.
Surprise! wrote:
Is that you Rekrunner or Liar Soorer?
No.
WADA's answer is some combination of 1) potential to harm athletes, 2) potential to enhance performance, and 3) against the spirit of sport.
OP if you're like a 16-17 min 5000 runner, you ain't going get tested any time soon. So just full send it to your hearts content. At best at that talent you'll get down to just under 14 minutes, even than you ain't going to get tested unless you make the move to ultras and start winning one's with prize money.
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
Because doping would make the sport even more inequitable. The people with the most to gain from doping are the runners who are already fast. The JV jogger has no reason to dope because all the drugs in the world won't make him fast. But the fast guy on the team might only need a relatively small bump to become competitive for NCAA D1. Nearly all NCAA runners won't go pro, but running a few percentage points faster might mean a pro contract or a larger contract for the fastest guys.
because the goal of a competition is to determine who is the best. That means, who has the best talent+training combination and put it all together at the right moment.
By doping, you fake talent and training and the result of the competition is biased. In addition, you harm yourself in exchange of money and fame, it's like selling your soul to the devil.
BurritoBanner wrote:
The cheating you mentioned does not involve closing a talent gap. Doping would be equivalent to purchasing a better tutor and reaching a new potential you haven’t realized.
that's equivalent to getting a better coach, not doping.
Doping is indeed like cheating at an exam
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
That is actually a great question.
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
You do realize that doping helps the talented run even faster too, don't you?
But your first statement said people would close a talent gap which isn't true because the most talented wold be able to dope also.
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
I didn’t think it was unethical and morally wrong in the first place to dope, only to get caught doping.
The sport is not seeking to equalize talent, rather it’s about running as fast as you can while doing anything you want without getting busted.
Or you could lie about your race
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
If you think about it, body building has a whole competition based around PED usage.
Obviously since running doesn't have a category dedicated to that, it's different(hence why it would be unethical). But it's not a horrible point to make. I'll never be good enough to get tested so I guess for fun I could pop some EPO to drop a minute off my 5k. And I've read that being on it makes you feel pretty great so I guess it could make your training more fun + the benefit of getting faster.
It's not mostly talent, it's hard work at first. But once you get to the elite level where EVERYONE is running a lot of mileage and basically all the same workouts, then it becomes talent. If you've got two people who haven't really trained very hard, it doesn't matter who is more talented, if one of them progresses into elite level training they're going to beat the person who didn't pick up their training. For example I ran 10:40 as a freshman in high school off not much training, not bad. But then improved to 9:00 three years later when I actually started running a lot. But eventually you can't improve your training much and you plateau, then if everyone is at that point it's the person who has more talent who plateaus. The problem is that a lot of people think they're already training as good as they can train, and they believe that that's all they have and the other people are just beating them because they're more talented.
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
The premise is wrong. It's not about talent or whether it is wrong to dope to get faster. It is about the fairness of competition, and competitors abiding by the rules laid out when they agree to compete. It's cheating to violate the competition doping rules.
Running could set up a free for all dopers category if they want, but it would be a side show and fans would probably not be interested.
All these dopers want the glory of people believing they are actually that fast through talent, training and hard work.
BurritoBanner wrote:
People can agree that running is mostly talent. So, why is it unethical and morally wrong to dope in order to close a talent gap?
Same reason as cutting the course short is unethical. You are not following the agreed upon rules for fair play.
One of the reasons it is against the rules is athlete safety and keeping doping from being a defacto requirement to complete. Which currently it isn’t at the lower levels of the sport. Some might argue it is even possible at the top level if you think some athletes like Nick Willis are clean.
its not morally wrong. its just not allowed.
Assuming that you're serious here, and I'm not sure that you are, an obvious question is why you're assuming doping would close the talent gap? The more talented people would also dope and retain their advantage.