At Pac12’s today his women took 8th (8th las year) and his men jumped all the way to 5th (6th last year)!
We all knew he was going to make a huge impact, but this was beyond expectations. Just like he said in his last interview, they are focused on November when they will shock people. We are witnessing greatness.
Eh these are just all the pieces rolling from the last coach.
College coaching is mainly recruiting, let's see what he does in 3 years
You would think he could take any team and do better than the coach that was fired for a very similar performance.
I thought it wasn't about recruiting. Everyone said it was really about changing the culture and getting kids to believe at NP. He claims they didn't recruit and it was all his super secret workouts and coaching expertise.
Eh these are just all the pieces rolling from the last coach.
College coaching is mainly recruiting, let's see what he does in 3 years
You would think he could take any team and do better than the coach that was fired for a very similar performance.
I thought it wasn't about recruiting. Everyone said it was really about changing the culture and getting kids to believe at NP. He claims they didn't recruit and it was all his super secret workouts and coaching expertise.
He literally joined in like early Sept, he has had almost no time to train them (IE make them buy in to his stuff year round like what he did at NP). If they were bumbling along through summer and have a crap base, there's nothing to work with for the season; it's toast.
He has had no time to recruit anybody so he's running with the leftovers who bothered going to a bottom feeder nationals team instead of going to better schools.
Nobody is going to come in and improve a team when you only have 1 All American level athlete and no time to train the others.
No way UCLA hired him and expected him to contend at the last minute. They probably have him on a leash of a few years to see what he can do or bring in.
You would think he could take any team and do better than the coach that was fired for a very similar performance.
I thought it wasn't about recruiting. Everyone said it was really about changing the culture and getting kids to believe at NP. He claims they didn't recruit and it was all his super secret workouts and coaching expertise.
He literally joined in like early Sept, he has had almost no time to train them (IE make them buy in to his stuff year round like what he did at NP). If they were bumbling along through summer and have a crap base, there's nothing to work with for the season; it's toast.
He has had no time to recruit anybody so he's running with the leftovers who bothered going to a bottom feeder nationals team instead of going to better schools.
Nobody is going to come in and improve a team when you only have 1 All American level athlete and no time to train the others.
No way UCLA hired him and expected him to contend at the last minute. They probably have him on a leash of a few years to see what he can do or bring in.
He started August 1st and took them straight Mamoth for a month.
With only 1 All American, you would think it would be an easy group to improve. What gives you an idea they had a crap base and don’t train well over the summer? These are D1 athletes who are likely highly motivated. He actually said in an interview that his team was very underrated and there was very solid talent.
The previous coach had a very similar roster, had very similar results and was fired because the performance was so bad. A better coach should be able to take the same roster and get better results than a bad coach.
I really couldn't care less about this coach, but I do know when he got hired and what day it is now, and how much progress can be expected.
So, with that said, let me say that your post makes you look really bad and doesn't do anything to make the coach look bad (which I think was your intention).
Prepare to get piled on by actual runners who know how foolish your post is.
The top college teams all already have a great culture and they're recruiting. It took Brosnan 3 years to win State at NP. He's been at UCLA for half a semester. They got beaten by Stanford, Colorado, and Oregon, which have all been distance powerhouses for decades, and Washington, who has the 1500 NCAA champ, 2 more finalists, a 13:16 guy, and an Olympian. Stanford is the favorite to win NCAAs. Oregon has Schumacher + some of the best recruits in the nation. Colorado is Colorado.
In HS, it doesn't have to be about recruiting because no one is recruiting. In college, everyone is recruiting. If you think a coach should be able to turn a program around in 2 months with whatever athletes are already there, you're either an idiot or you're looking for any excuse you can to hate Brosnan. Heck, the Notre Dame coach went to Tennessee, brought some of the best athletes in the country, and lost to Alabama today, tied with Texas, and were 1 point ahead of Ole Miss.
I thought it was common knowledge that it takes years to develop a distance runners level of performance... this guy has been there 2 months. people on here are so dumb sometimes.
At a high school, you can beat the vast majority of teams simply by having the athletes run more volume more consistently, whether in mileage or workouts or both. In college, all the other major programs are going to have people who have already excelled at the high school/international level, work hard, run 50-100 mpw, and do big workouts. So, it is going to be harder to make an impact. But you can't judge a new coach on the basis of August-September-October of his first season when he started August 1 and didn't even have a chance to give summer workout plans. The standards at that meet were tremendously high. There were 35 guys sub-24 and 10 guys sub-23. That is insane, especially at the top level, and no one in the world is going to be able to elevate a mid-level team to that level in three months. He was able to get a guy at 23:15 and another at 23:35, which is very fast. There is no shame in losing only to Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Colorado, nor in averaging 23:56 for 8k. Next year should be a bit of an improvement, but the following year will require some more recruiting, because he had only two underclassmen in the top 9.
As for recruiting, he's like a really good car salesman. He'll have no difficulty recruiting, just as Calipari never did, inducements or not.
He brought them in. That’s part of coaching. Why didn’t Young and Sahlman follow Brosnan or anyone else transfer in?
Regardless of the transfers, taking essentially the same roster as the prior year (actually an upgraded roster) and performing the same does not show improvement. I would think the best high school coach in history and what some on Letsrun have called one of the best coaches in the country, regardless of level, would have an impact and show improvement over the coach who was fired.
Anyone know who has signed with UCLA this year? I see all kinds of announcements from other programs. Should be about time to see who will be in this year's recruiting class.
He brought them in. That’s part of coaching. Why didn’t Young and Sahlman follow Brosnan or anyone else transfer in?
Regardless of the transfers, taking essentially the same roster as the prior year (actually an upgraded roster) and performing the same does not show improvement. I would think the best high school coach in history and what some on Letsrun have called one of the best coaches in the country, regardless of level, would have an impact and show improvement over the coach who was fired.
its kind of hard to bring in transfers when you start your job only a few weeks before classes start. Carlson was appointed two months prior and was announced the same day Outdoor Nationals ended.
I'm not arguing anything about whether Brosnan is doing a good job or not (he doesn't seem to have improved much like you say), i just think its not the most analogous example to prove the point.
Brosnan proves that he knows how to coach and that high school running and college running aren't really that different. The college fanboys go home devastated.
Running is running. Great high school athletes can in fact run with top college athletes and great high school coaches can in fact go on to successful collegiate (or pro) coaching careers.
It is going to be hard to make UCLA successful in the Pac 12. He is up against CU, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington. All of have won a national title with both genders (well Washington has a trophy for the men).
They have better natural training locations, and everyone has access to the talent now with the internet. Probably better funded as well on the distance sides
SB is a great coach but you can’t out recruit and out develop all of these other programs consistently.
Think the Oregon men’s team out performed UCLA today with similar talent.
UCLA and CAL have had similar strength recruiting classes for a few years, and today UCLA's #7 beat Cal's #1, so if nothing else, a few more of the top California HS runners might choose UCLA. That's assuming runners who go these schools really are equally serious about running as about their academic careers, which is probably not true.