After his provisional suspension back in July...now handed a 3 year ban
https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/63206917
This guy was in the 2hr marathon pacing group too, right?
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It looks as though he has been in the NN team since April 2020. He also paced him in the marathon Kipchoge used to qualify for Tokyo at the airport. An article on him here speaking about how Kipchoge taught him discipline:
“I have also learned so much from Eliud. Firstly, that you need to be disciplined in a very broad sense and, secondly, when you get money you need to invest it wisely because a running career can be short.”
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Another article describing him as "one of the strongest training partners of Kipchoge".
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I know of a Grant Fischer teammate popped.
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Double standards wrote:
I know of a Grant Fischer teammate popped.
LOL are you implying that posting about it is a double standard?
Does Grant Fischer have the Marathon WR?1283 -
“Fischer”? Really?
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Nothing to see here, move along!
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nickcat wrote:
It looks as though he has been in the NN team since April 2020. He also paced him in the marathon Kipchoge used to qualify for Tokyo at the airport. An article on him here speaking about how Kipchoge taught him discipline:“I have also learned so much from Eliud. Firstly, that you need to be disciplined in a very broad sense and, secondly, when you get money you need to invest it wisely because a running career can be short.”
To his credit, doping does take discipline. He never said anything about learning integrity.
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9 kenyans busted in the last 3 months, what an absolute joke. And somehow Ethiopia doesn’t have any doping busts, another total joke. Embarassing for the sport
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Double standards wrote:
I know of a Grant Fischer teammate popped.
Perhaps you missed the important word 'another'?
Not to mention he was in the World Championship team. And that the former world record holder Kipsang was also busted, the former half-marathon world record holder Kiptum was also busted, along with what must be approaching 200 Kenyan long-distance runners who have been busted over the last decade, and seven since July.
Double standards? If any non-African country had Kenya's doping record, virtually nobody would be taking any of their performances seriously now. But we're supposed to believe that the guy smashing his own PBs/WRs approaching 40 years old, nearly 20 years after he peaked on the track, is clean as a whistle?
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Some countires follow the model, If you not doping, you're not trying.
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LTR5K wrote:
Some countires follow the model, If you not doping, you're not trying.
Some countries follow the model, if you don't hide your positive tests, you're not trying.
Some countries follow the model, if your athletes don't use sophisticated doping techniques, you're not trying.
Kenya is obviously doing at least a reasonable job in catching dopers, unlike other countries that dominate track and field, like Ethiopia, the UK or the US.
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Some countries wrote:
Kenya is obviously doing at least a reasonable job in catching dopers, unlike other countries that dominate track and field, like Ethiopia, the UK or the US.
"Kacheran was withdrawn from the Kenyan team before the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, and becomes the ninth Kenyan to be banned by the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) since the beginning of July."
It was not Kenya who caught him, it was the AIU!
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Loppas wrote:
Some countries wrote:
Kenya is obviously doing at least a reasonable job in catching dopers, unlike other countries that dominate track and field, like Ethiopia, the UK or the US.
"Kacheran was withdrawn from the Kenyan team before the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, and becomes the ninth Kenyan to be banned by the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) since the beginning of July."
It was not Kenya who caught him, it was the AIU!
Good job on AIU then.
ADAK has caught a good number too.
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Ethiopians don't believe in cheating; part of their culture... or so I read. Different to Kenyans.
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Some countries wrote:
Loppas wrote:
"Kacheran was withdrawn from the Kenyan team before the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, and becomes the ninth Kenyan to be banned by the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) since the beginning of July."
It was not Kenya who caught him, it was the AIU!
Good job on AIU then.
ADAK has caught a good number too.
My point still stands.0/10 Kenyan doping apologism.
You're crazy if you think the fact that Kenya has had nearly 200 doping busts in the last 15 years, compared to a handful in the UK in 40 years (and zero middle or long distance that I'm aware of) is down to their tin pot testing being superior to UK's.
It's been documented and accepted that there is/was 'tea money' corruption among Kenyan testers, and that Kenyan stars get advance warning texts of 'random tests'.
You may as well say that the only reason the murder rate is 20 x higher in Ecuador than Switzerland is because the police in Ecuador are much better at detecting murder crimes than the Swiss, and it's racist to claim otherwise.
Training there in February, Canadian marathoner Reid Coolsaet says he got an 8 p.m. call one night telling him to report at 6 a.m. the next morning for IAAF testing.
After an hour’s drive to Eldoret, Coolsaet was met by a who’s who of Kenyan stars also called there to give blood, including the Olympic and world champion over 800 meters, David Rudisha, marathon world-record holder Dennis Kimetto and about six others. Coolsaet, a veteran of the 2012 Games and multiple world championships, said it was the first time he’d ever had advance notice of a test.
“It was weird,” Coolsaet said. “In Canada, I wouldn’t know the night before, I would just get a knock on the door.”
Blood doping experts say cheats tipped-off in advance could use the overnight hours to confound the “Athlete Biological Passport,” the tool the IAAF and other sports use to look for tell-tale signs of doping in athletes’ blood.3812 -
Coevett wrote:
Some countries wrote:
Good job on AIU then.
ADAK has caught a good number too.
My point still stands.0/10 Kenyan doping apologism.
You're crazy if you think the fact that Kenya has had nearly 200 doping busts in the last 15 years, compared to a handful in the UK in 40 years (and zero middle or long distance that I'm aware of) is down to their tin pot testing being superior to UK's.
It's been documented and accepted that there is/was 'tea money' corruption among Kenyan testers, and that Kenyan stars get advance warning texts of 'random tests'.
You may as well say that the only reason the murder rate is 20 x higher in Ecuador than Switzerland is because the police in Ecuador are much better at detecting murder crimes than the Swiss, and it's racist to claim otherwise.
Training there in February, Canadian marathoner Reid Coolsaet says he got an 8 p.m. call one night telling him to report at 6 a.m. the next morning for IAAF testing.
After an hour’s drive to Eldoret, Coolsaet was met by a who’s who of Kenyan stars also called there to give blood, including the Olympic and world champion over 800 meters, David Rudisha, marathon world-record holder Dennis Kimetto and about six others. Coolsaet, a veteran of the 2012 Games and multiple world championships, said it was the first time he’d ever had advance notice of a test.
“It was weird,” Coolsaet said. “In Canada, I wouldn’t know the night before, I would just get a knock on the door.”
Blood doping experts say cheats tipped-off in advance could use the overnight hours to confound the “Athlete Biological Passport,” the tool the IAAF and other sports use to look for tell-tale signs of doping in athletes’ blood.Rarely agree with Coevett but he is spot on here. Absurd leap of logic to say the country with hundreds of doping busts despite a lax testing regime is somehow better at catching dopers.
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Coevett wrote:
Double standards? If any non-African country had Kenya's doping record, virtually nobody would be taking any of their performances seriously now. But we're supposed to believe that the guy smashing his own PBs/WRs approaching 40 years old, nearly 20 years after he peaked on the track, is clean as a whistle?
You may believe whatever you want.
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0/10 Kenyan doping apologism.
I say it's good that Kenyan dopers are caught and you call me a Kenyan doping apologist.
You are dishonest and stupid. And you should try studying logic some day.You're crazy if you think the fact that Kenya has had nearly 200 doping busts in the last 15 years, compared to a handful in the UK in 40 years (and zero middle or long distance that I'm aware of) is down to their tin pot testing being superior to UK's.You are the doping apologist here. See Shelby's case. Probably caught because she got careless otherwise you would still be defending her like you defend your never-caught British athletes - care to discuss Paula Radcliffe's otherworldly times and blood results? Yeah, I didn't think so.
You may as well say that the only reason the murder rate is 20 x higher in Ecuador than Switzerland is because the police in Ecuador are much better at detecting murder crimes than the Swiss, and it's racist to claim otherwise.I might, but that would have zero logic. Not surprising that you would come up with such a dumb example.
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Jon Snow-man wrote:
Coevett wrote:
0/10 Kenyan doping apologism.
You're crazy if you think the fact that Kenya has had nearly 200 doping busts in the last 15 years, compared to a handful in the UK in 40 years (and zero middle or long distance that I'm aware of) is down to their tin pot testing being superior to UK's.
It's been documented and accepted that there is/was 'tea money' corruption among Kenyan testers, and that Kenyan stars get advance warning texts of 'random tests'.
You may as well say that the only reason the murder rate is 20 x higher in Ecuador than Switzerland is because the police in Ecuador are much better at detecting murder crimes than the Swiss, and it's racist to claim otherwise.
Rarely agree with Coevett but he is spot on here. Absurd leap of logic to say the country with hundreds of doping busts despite a lax testing regime is somehow better at catching dopers.
I'm sure you also believe Jerry didn't know what nandrolone was.
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