Former college runner here (8:25/14:35 3000m/5000m), still trying to get faster but realizing a pattern - I can't handle long runs. Any time I try to do 2 hours at a reasonable pace, or with some M pace work involved, the next few days I am wrecked. It's always been this way. The only way it doesn't affect me is if I keep my HR at 140 and go easy.
Does this mean I will never be able to move up to the marathon? Should I just stomach the long runs and accept a few days of being wrecked and sleeping for 11 hours. Or just keep the long runs to 90 mins and stick to 10k/HM training and racing.
Do some longer runs at 140 bpm. You don't need to hammer your long runs if you're not doing a marathon. Then once you can run 3 hrs at 140bpm comfortably, 2 hours at 165bpm won't be so bad
Former college runner here (8:25/14:35 3000m/5000m), still trying to get faster but realizing a pattern - I can't handle long runs. Any time I try to do 2 hours at a reasonable pace, or with some M pace work involved, the next few days I am wrecked. It's always been this way. The only way it doesn't affect me is if I keep my HR at 140 and go easy.
Does this mean I will never be able to move up to the marathon? Should I just stomach the long runs and accept a few days of being wrecked and sleeping for 11 hours. Or just keep the long runs to 90 mins and stick to 10k/HM training and racing.
Is it strictly that they don't go well or that you're finding you actually need to build in recovery for them? I think ~2 good workouts/week is a sweet spot for most runners. If you do sessions on Tuesday, Friday, and then hammer on Sunday, and you feel like trash for several days, as you try to workout again on Tuesday/Friday the next week, then it does make sense -- you'd be doing too much.
If you're building harder long runs into a training plan, do your weekly session on Wednesday & then treat your long run day as a hard session, with at least 2 easy runs following it.
If you're already doing that then, yes, something else might be at play. Sleep, nutrition, in-run fueling, etc. But it's not a bad idea to do some easy long runs and throw in a mid-week medium long run to build up some stamina. You're not doomed for the longer stuff. You have fast enough PBs to OTQ. You just need to train like a marathoner if/when that time comes.
I'm not nearly as fast as you but had this experience before. Have you ever tried to bring fuel on these 2 hour runs? I noticed that when I ate something like a gel or half clif bar, I felt dramatically less fatigued.
Former college runner here (8:25/14:35 3000m/5000m), still trying to get faster but realizing a pattern - I can't handle long runs. Any time I try to do 2 hours at a reasonable pace, or with some M pace work involved, the next few days I am wrecked. It's always been this way. The only way it doesn't affect me is if I keep my HR at 140 and go easy.
Does this mean I will never be able to move up to the marathon? Should I just stomach the long runs and accept a few days of being wrecked and sleeping for 11 hours. Or just keep the long runs to 90 mins and stick to 10k/HM training and racing.
What does reasonable pace mean? Could be that you're just pushing a bit too fast. I think at most I probably do 10 miles @ MP(2:28 pace) and the rest are fairly easy (6:45's to 7:30 depending on the day. If you're in a particularly hot or humid environment you probably need to slow it down a bit and hydrate/fuel a bit more. I never fueled when I was in college but definitely do now, especially when runs go longer than 90 minutes.
The only way it doesn't affect me is if I keep my HR at 140 and go easy.
Keep the long runs at 140 bpm. Eventually that will begin to feel too easy. Then run them at 145 BPM, and so on. Its normal to feel wrecked when you run long runs too fast.