If the mall is not the appropriate social setting to accept courting gestures, what is, in your view, a more relevant setting to strike up a conversation?
it is not surprising to me at all that the douche conservative bros of letsrun will have more trouble getting women nowadays because women have more power and need to be shown more respect. Times are changing
It's not entirely clear what you expect to have happen at the gym or the mall. These are not social settings. When I go to the gym I am there to work out, not to meet guys. Guys who interrupt my workout trying to make conversation are guaranteed to get a negative reaction.
If the mall is not the appropriate social setting to accept courting gestures, what is, in your view, a more relevant setting to strike up a conversation?
19th hole of your local golf course on Tuesday (ladies day). Just ask how her round went.
It's not entirely clear what you expect to have happen at the gym or the mall. These are not social settings. When I go to the gym I am there to work out, not to meet guys. Guys who interrupt my workout trying to make conversation are guaranteed to get a negative reaction.
If the mall is not the appropriate social setting to accept courting gestures, what is, in your view, a more relevant setting to strike up a conversation?
Most women would consider it an insult that a strange man approached them at a mall expecting to initiate an intimate relationship. Unless they are professionals.
There are in fact numerous dating sites to which women go in order to meet men. Or taverns. Or through friends. Perhaps you never get invited to parties. In fact I bet that's likely.
Whatever, dude, you send your son to college to become self hating, or worse, and I'll advise my son and anyone who asks for my advice (about careers for young men) to do skilled trades.
No one should have a rigid template of what a kid should do. If you think your kids will do well with skilled trades or don't think they can navigate college without becoming "self hating, or worse" (whatever that means), then advise them accordingly. My kids were advised to do college and emerged with skills and confidence. They married well and have good jobs. No path is right for everyone, but college certainly isn't a bad choice for most males.
The article may be truthful about there being more men trying to date and more options for woman, but I found the opposite in practice. I got divorced after healthy 20+ year marriage in 2018, dated 3-4 months, and then have been committed to a great girl for almost 4 years.
If you remove guys that don't take care of themselves (not runners), broke/cheap, soy boys, no humor, alcoholics, narcissistic, and not honest then you only end up with a few guys that all the women are after and it is too EASY.
30-40's women go through a "last pretty" phase and are hungry for ****. Up to that point in life they've had their highest sexual market value and all of a sudden they start seeing signs the ride is over. As doubt starts seeping in with chinks in her armor, then there is an aggressive drive to get attention, lots of attention! This is when many marriages break down and then the women go on rebound.
The vast majority of 40-50 year old men out there haven't taken care of themselves, are average or below average successful, have non-masculine qualities (soy boys), aren't fun to hang with, drink too much, don't have an acceptance of who they are, and many ended up single for lying or disrespecting their prior relationship.
It is like a Division I coach, with so many fish in the sea, why recruit trash. The best recruits will all have multiple offers. :D
Harsh post, but fair to both sexes. I will give it that. There's a lot there that makes sense.
The article may be truthful about there being more men trying to date and more options for woman, but I found the opposite in practice. I got divorced after healthy 20+ year marriage in 2018, dated 3-4 months, and then have been committed to a great girl for almost 4 years.
If you remove guys that don't take care of themselves (not runners), broke/cheap, soy boys, no humor, alcoholics, narcissistic, and not honest then you only end up with a few guys that all the women are after and it is too EASY.
30-40's women go through a "last pretty" phase and are hungry for ****. Up to that point in life they've had their highest sexual market value and all of a sudden they start seeing signs the ride is over. As doubt starts seeping in with chinks in her armor, then there is an aggressive drive to get attention, lots of attention! This is when many marriages break down and then the women go on rebound.
The vast majority of 40-50 year old men out there haven't taken care of themselves, are average or below average successful, have non-masculine qualities (soy boys), aren't fun to hang with, drink too much, don't have an acceptance of who they are, and many ended up single for lying or disrespecting their prior relationship.
It is like a Division I coach, with so many fish in the sea, why recruit trash. The best recruits will all have multiple offers. :D
Harsh post, but fair to both sexes. I will give it that. There's a lot there that makes sense.
What matters is the 18 to 28 age range, locking down the most attractive/fertile wife you can, in her prime, and getting about three children from your wife within that period. All this talk about dating in the 30/40s, and beyond, is as pointless as ultramathroning is to runners who excelled in highschool and college and have desire to win the local turkey trot.
It is objectively true that the birth rate and the marriage rate have both plummeted in the last 60 years. Hmm, what happened 60 years ago that could have led to this???
They are having a month long Pride festival in my city right now. I swear they had it just a couple of months ago. Every young female appears to be decked in pride colors and flags.
It's a modern infertility cult. For tens of thousands of years humans based religion around fertility. For this brief, crazy blip in our history, we (or the West, soon to go extinct) base it around infertility.
Orwell nailed it in his novel, regarding the 'Junior Anti-Sex League'. Only a more accurate name would be the 'Junior Anti-Reproduction League'.
Harsh post, but fair to both sexes. I will give it that. There's a lot there that makes sense.
What matters is the 18 to 28 age range, locking down the most attractive/fertile wife you can, in her prime, and getting about three children from your wife within that period. All this talk about dating in the 30/40s, and beyond, is as pointless as ultramathroning is to runners who excelled in highschool and college and have desire to win the local turkey trot.
The amount of women willing and able to have three kids by age 28 is tiny. Probably less than half of women have one child at that age.
To have three kids by 28 you'd need to meet someone at 20, and the pair of you would need to have enough money and a house to look after a family, despite neither of you going to college or having a career long enough to earn big bucks.
What you're expecting is totally unrealistic (And that's separate from your attitude of wanting nothing more than a baby factory)
If the mall is not the appropriate social setting to accept courting gestures, what is, in your view, a more relevant setting to strike up a conversation?
Most women would consider it an insult that a strange man approached them at a mall expecting to initiate an intimate relationship. Unless they are professionals.
There are in fact numerous dating sites to which women go in order to meet men. Or taverns. Or through friends. Perhaps you never get invited to parties. In fact I bet that's likely.
Fantastic. Dating sites. Taverns. Parties at friends’ houses. Good to know that there are at least a few places to find love.
It is objectively true that the birth rate and the marriage rate have both plummeted in the last 60 years. Hmm, what happened 60 years ago that could have led to this???
They are having a month long Pride festival in my city right now. I swear they had it just a couple of months ago. Every young female appears to be decked in pride colors and flags.
It's a modern infertility cult. For tens of thousands of years humans based religion around fertility. For this brief, crazy blip in our history, we (or the West, soon to go extinct) base it around infertility.
Orwell nailed it in his novel, regarding the 'Junior Anti-Sex League'. Only a more accurate name would be the 'Junior Anti-Reproduction League'.
Teens are waiting longer to have sex, and adults are waiting longer to get married. Not sure either of those are bad things. We have 7.5 billion humans on the planet. Not opposed to birth rates slowing down.
It's not entirely clear what you expect to have happen at the gym or the mall. These are not social settings. When I go to the gym I am there to work out, not to meet guys. Guys who interrupt my workout trying to make conversation are guaranteed to get a negative reaction.
At the gym, these are girls who are done with their workout & are hanging out in the lobby having a post-workout recovery drink, messing around with their phone, etc.
On the other hand, I've gotten hit on while working out by overweight/obese women. Just last week, an obese gal (5'2" 210 lbs - she told me her weight!) who had been eye balling me for the last month, came right in the spin room & interrupted my HIIT workout to say hi & that I had a "sexy" physique. She also wanted some help with spinning workouts for weight loss & got really close to me showing me pics of her dog. So, I didn't mind & stopped the workout to flirt with her for awhile since I'm a lonely Normie & don't have a GF. Lol.
For some strange reason, I seem to be magnet to obese women at the gym. And these are big gals - all of them outweigh me by quite a bit (I'm 5'6" 175 lbs ~20% BF).
Your problem doesn’t sound like it’s your appearance. Your problem sounds like you got no game. How exactly are you standing out from other men? What is it about you that would be interesting to a woman? These are serious questions, I’m not trying to insult.
What matters is the 18 to 28 age range, locking down the most attractive/fertile wife you can, in her prime, and getting about three children from your wife within that period. All this talk about dating in the 30/40s, and beyond, is as pointless as ultramathroning is to runners who excelled in highschool and college and have desire to win the local turkey trot.
what happens when the kids become teens and then even start going off to college? empty nest has always been a real thing, midlife crisis for both men and women has always been a thing, "last pretty" has always been a thing pre-menopause. however, NOW you have dating apps that accentuate that the grass is greener. this is further confirmed as even if just a couple of women in a circle of friends goes down to divorce, then it seems to be contagious. "seemingly" these newly minted single ladies get half the assets, child support, and stories of the best sex in their lives.
the women need to be careful as although they get their share of assets, their lower income (if any) might not keep them at the same lifestyle, the child support starts ending and college starts as kids hit 18, menopause comes knocking and sexual market value comes crashing down especially after a few years being a girl sleeping around like the boys you once hated. it must be trying mentally to watch the husband maybe get back in shape after taking it for granted when married, refocus on job & business, continued income with highest potential hitting 40-50's, and a sexual market value that is a flatter decline than women.
I feel bad for the women that were wronged and put in this situation involuntarily, I have no sympathy for women that did it to themselves.
what happens when the kids become teens and then even start going off to college? empty nest has always been a real thing, midlife crisis for both men and women has always been a thing, "last pretty" has always been a thing pre-menopause. however, NOW you have dating apps that accentuate that the grass is greener. this is further confirmed as even if just a couple of women in a circle of friends goes down to divorce, then it seems to be contagious. "seemingly" these newly minted single ladies get half the assets, child support, and stories of the best sex in their lives.
the women need to be careful as although they get their share of assets, their lower income (if any) might not keep them at the same lifestyle, the child support starts ending and college starts as kids hit 18, menopause comes knocking and sexual market value comes crashing down especially after a few years being a girl sleeping around like the boys you once hated. it must be trying mentally to watch the husband maybe get back in shape after taking it for granted when married, refocus on job & business, continued income with highest potential hitting 40-50's, and a sexual market value that is a flatter decline than women.
I feel bad for the women that were wronged and put in this situation involuntarily, I have no sympathy for women that did it to themselves.
The women who take care of themselves still have the upper hand, because there aren't enough of them to go around.
Women want a real man, someone who can fix things and take charge. Provide a home and shelter. Protect them. Etc.
Most young men today live in their parents basements while they "invest" and play video games. Fewer go to college. More do nothings spending their days with vape pens and reddit.
If you're a single 40+ man with actual masculine tendencies, the world is your oyster. You'll have women from mid-20s to mid-50s throwing themselves at you because they can't find a real man anywhere.
I was very surprised to start experiencing this a few years ago (and if you are in great physical shape it incites even more aggressive advances.) I was even stalked for several months by a women less than half my age. The only problem is the younger women are pretty much virtually all worthless in that they are looking only for a sugar daddy to whisk them off to a castle in the hills where they can lounge about, go shopping and order food. Even the older ones are looking for this type of arrangement. Thanks, but no thanks. The more successful women are looking for men who are millionaires and preferably billionaires, which is still a sort of sugar daddy/sugar baby type of arrangement only on a higher level. This is the scene in the area I live, which is a highly educated, wealthy and liberal area. I call the place "sugar daddy city" and the region was even proclaimed the #1 area for sugar daddy activity (as per stats from the Ashley Madison and Seeking Arrangement websites.) It is quite amusing that the attractiveness of women in this area is quite low compared to other regions (in the US) - which makes the women in this area just as overvalued as the real estate. I'm sure you can figure out what area I'm talking about - who can guess? (Hint - young girls from Nordic countries use to flock here to work as live-in nannies in the wealthiest neighborhoods.)
At the gym, these are girls who are done with their workout & are hanging out in the lobby having a post-workout recovery drink, messing around with their phone, etc.
On the other hand, I've gotten hit on while working out by overweight/obese women. Just last week, an obese gal (5'2" 210 lbs - she told me her weight!) who had been eye balling me for the last month, came right in the spin room & interrupted my HIIT workout to say hi & that I had a "sexy" physique. She also wanted some help with spinning workouts for weight loss & got really close to me showing me pics of her dog. So, I didn't mind & stopped the workout to flirt with her for awhile since I'm a lonely Normie & don't have a GF. Lol.
For some strange reason, I seem to be magnet to obese women at the gym. And these are big gals - all of them outweigh me by quite a bit (I'm 5'6" 175 lbs ~20% BF).
Your problem doesn’t sound like it’s your appearance. Your problem sounds like you got no game. How exactly are you standing out from other men? What is it about you that would be interesting to a woman? These are serious questions, I’m not trying to insult.
C'mon...man, sure it's appearance. What attractive woman would be interested in an ultra-short man with an average-looking face at best like me? Lol. Even building this body into a muscular, aesthetic physique has little bearing on attractive women when you don't have the height & good looks in the first place. As I said, I'm a magnet for unattractive, obese women simply for the fact they can't get the "Chads," so a short normie with a nice physique like me becomes their backup plan & 2nd choice (they're not stupid - they know guys like me get rejected all the time by attractive women). And it's funny that these type of women will reject overweight/obese guys left & right and yet have expectations that they can get with muscular, fit guys. Hypergamy at it's best with today's modern women.
Btw, there is no such thing as "game." It's basically "manipulation" where guys will say or do anything to sleep with an attractive woman. Check this debate out between two of the top dating coaches/PUAs & two of the top blackpillers (including the author of the "48 laws of dating"). The dating coaches are exposed badly about "game" & what a fraud it is. Looks & height matter most than any kind of phoney game (it's a very long debate - forward to 1 hour in for the good stuff):
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And how am I "standing out against other men?" Well...not very good against the tall, good looking "Chad's." Lol. I probably fare out better against other short, average-looking guys who are either skinny or fat because of my physique...but that's about it. And of course if I was wealthy I could get a lot of attractive women at my beck & call regardless of my flaws (I should have worked on "money maxing" years ago after college and entering the work force).
Again, most attractive women favor looks & height over anything else despite saying otherwise. Look at this video by popular blackpiller & facial rating expert "Wheat Waffles" (95k subscribers). The same attractive girl kissing 4 different guys. Look how she responds to the 3 "Chads" vs the shorter, less attractive "normie." No "game" needed with the "Chads" Lol.
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Women want a real man, someone who can fix things and take charge. Provide a home and shelter. Protect them. Etc.
Most young men today live in their parents basements while they "invest" and play video games. Fewer go to college. More do nothings spending their days with vape pens and reddit.
If you're a single 40+ man with actual masculine tendencies, the world is your oyster. You'll have women from mid-20s to mid-50s throwing themselves at you because they can't find a real man anywhere.
I was very surprised to start experiencing this a few years ago (and if you are in great physical shape it incites even more aggressive advances.) I was even stalked for several months by a women less than half my age. The only problem is the younger women are pretty much virtually all worthless in that they are looking only for a sugar daddy to whisk them off to a castle in the hills where they can lounge about, go shopping and order food. Even the older ones are looking for this type of arrangement. Thanks, but no thanks. The more successful women are looking for men who are millionaires and preferably billionaires, which is still a sort of sugar daddy/sugar baby type of arrangement only on a higher level. This is the scene in the area I live, which is a highly educated, wealthy and liberal area. I call the place "sugar daddy city" and the region was even proclaimed the #1 area for sugar daddy activity (as per stats from the Ashley Madison and Seeking Arrangement websites.) It is quite amusing that the attractiveness of women in this area is quite low compared to other regions (in the US) - which makes the women in this area just as overvalued as the real estate. I'm sure you can figure out what area I'm talking about - who can guess? (Hint - young girls from Nordic countries use to flock here to work as live-in nannies in the wealthiest neighborhoods.)
Masculinity is attractive to women, just as femininity is attractive to men. Being masculine doesn't have to be all about being 6' or taller with a ripped body. Sure, Chad may look like that by default, but being masculine is as much about an attitude and an ability as it is about looks.
I am 50 and would consider myself average looking, 6' tall. I have a beard (graying) and most of my hair. I'm not in tremendous physical shape but also not overweight. Better than Dad bod, but not a guy who lifts weights religiously either.
I am a very "take charge" kind of guy who will fix whatever needs to be fixed or control whatever situation needs controlling. Not in a bad way, but I get things done. This seems to be a very attractive trait and I consider it part of being a man.
I find myself in situations every week where it would be painfully easy to pick up women half my age. Yesterday I was installing network equipment on jobsite and there was a cute woman, probably 25, working on a video camera system. She was having trouble with some connectivity issues, I said "let me fix that for you" and I did. In front of her, I also directed several other people on the site in ways that go her problem fixed almost immediately. I took charge, got results. After that, it took about 5 minutes of casual banter before she was leaning in, twirling her hair, and actively hitting on me. As I left she said she hoped I'd be back on site Monday, she wanted to buy me a coffee (I don't drink coffee) on her way in.
Not terribly long ago I was driving home from work and I saw two women stopped on the side of the road with a flat tire. Pulled over and asked them if they needed help. Turns out they had a "man" with them, but he was in the back seat watching a youtube video trying to figure out what to do. I popped the trunk, got the tire changed, done in ten minutes. Separately, both gave me their phone numbers -- and they were hot, probably 25 years old.
This happens time and time again. Be a man around women. It's attractive to them.