LOL his season was BAD?? Come on, that's just ridiculous to say at this point. He's like 19 years old at this point. What did you expect to happen? Sub 3:30? Lol
See this is just where it's too far. He ran 3:34.3 at age 18. At age 19, he was having a tough season, not running a time/putting up a performance close to in line with that great run. Now he has or at least close, and everyone is rightfully happy about it and saying nice things.
Would I call the season up to yesterday bad? Maybe not as that's a bit harsh. It was OK, a step back but understandable in his first year as a pro. So, you can appreciate yesterday's run without going crazy with narratives. I thought he could run 3:33-3:34 this season and still think he could. It had been a bit below expectation that he had only done 3:36.63, didn't look good at USAs and the 800s were ugly, the finishes in the 1500 somewhat ugly too. It is not "ridiculous" to say this.
Not everything is linear, but do you think people would be absurd if Colin Salhman only ran 3:41 next year and people wonder what's up with him? Expecting an 18-year-old to not regress is not insane. There's a large difference between that and expecting a 3:30 from him. Most just expected a 3:33-3:35.xx.
This is why your early responses to this thread make very little sense. Kessler was having a mediocre season, which makes yesterday’s run even more impressive. It’s not a given that young phenoms will improve, so for him to run a massive American u20 record after effectively stagnating since May of last year is a big deal. It was as good a race as he has ever run and surpassed all expectations.
This is why your early responses to this thread make very little sense. Kessler was having a mediocre season, which makes yesterday’s run even more impressive. It’s not a given that young phenoms will improve, so for him to run a massive American u20 record after effectively stagnating since May of last year is a big deal. It was as good a race as he has ever run and surpassed all expectations.
This was my first response: "His best race of the season. 1:49.4 at 800 and had a kick. Maybe a 3:34-3:35 1500 is around the corner."
The thing that I pushed back on was going nuts around the U20 lists for the 1,000 or what some pros ran or didn't run at an off distance that most don't prioritize. Me being excited about the mark and the run was not enough for some reason.
This is why your early responses to this thread make very little sense. Kessler was having a mediocre season, which makes yesterday’s run even more impressive. It’s not a given that young phenoms will improve, so for him to run a massive American u20 record after effectively stagnating since May of last year is a big deal. It was as good a race as he has ever run and surpassed all expectations.
This was my first response: "His best race of the season. 1:49.4 at 800 and had a kick. Maybe a 3:34-3:35 1500 is around the corner."
The thing that I pushed back on was going nuts around the U20 lists for the 1,000 or what some pros ran or didn't run at an off distance that most don't prioritize. Me being excited about the mark and the run was not enough for some reason.
You were hardly excited, ( to be honest, admit it, you had hoped he sh-it the bed, so you could say "how did he ever get in this") you made it seem like it was the least he could run(as a guy who had run 3:34 ONCE a year ago, even though nobody neat his age in the U.S. has. Ask anyone on here, if your take with Kessler in general has ever been positive. You think a guy who runs 3:34 ONCE at 18 will or should run 3:33 at 19, 3:31 at 20 and 3:28 at 21. That is much more your thought process on any Kessler thread than not. Ask ANYONE.
It took 2.5 years for Webb to approach his 3:53.x Yards mark, that he ran ONCE.Lists and perspective historically are important and valid, that's why they keep them in such detail, if nobody cared, The World List would not have been updated hours later.
Here is another Data Point that probably will be lost on you! This is the NCAA Outdoor List, these are these guys best marks going into The NCAA Meet. Kessler would have had 3 of the top 7 and all of these guys were 22 and older Kipsang is 25.Not sure what you wanted this year.Nur will be 24 in October!! Reed Brown IS 24! Davis? Will be frigging 25 in 2 months. Kusche, George is already 24...and folks wanted him to go to College..it is laughable what some think on here.Every guy is at least 4 and most 5 years older.
You were hardly excited, ( to be honest, admit it, you had hoped he sh-it the bed, so you could say "how did he ever get in this") you made it seem like it was the least he could run(as a guy who had run 3:34 ONCE a year ago, even though nobody neat his age in the U.S. has. Ask anyone on here, if your take with Kessler in general has ever been positive. You think a guy who runs 3:34 ONCE at 18 will or should run 3:33 at 19, 3:31 at 20 and 3:28 at 21. That is much more your thought process on any Kessler thread than not. Ask ANYONE.
It took 2.5 years for Webb to approach his 3:53.x Yards mark, that he ran ONCE.Lists and perspective historically are important and valid, that's why they keep them in such detail, if nobody cared, The World List would not have been updated hours later.
No, wasn't me. I said this in response to someone who doubted he could run 2:19 based on his 800m results of lates:
"What's his 1500 PB? 3:34. If he was in last year's Portland Track Festival form he could run 2:17 or 2:18. This year he hasn't been as sharp (noticeable in his 800s) so it could be a close call."
He went faster and the race was set up better than most 1000m races (not overly bunched or erratically paced).
And how is this hardly excited: "His best race of the season. 1:49.4 at 800 and had a kick. Maybe a 3:34-3:35 1500 is around the corner."
You were hardly excited, ( to be honest, admit it, you had hoped he sh-it the bed, so you could say "how did he ever get in this") you made it seem like it was the least he could run(as a guy who had run 3:34 ONCE a year ago, even though nobody neat his age in the U.S. has. Ask anyone on here, if your take with Kessler in general has ever been positive. You think a guy who runs 3:34 ONCE at 18 will or should run 3:33 at 19, 3:31 at 20 and 3:28 at 21. That is much more your thought process on any Kessler thread than not. Ask ANYONE.
It took 2.5 years for Webb to approach his 3:53.x Yards mark, that he ran ONCE.Lists and perspective historically are important and valid, that's why they keep them in such detail, if nobody cared, The World List would not have been updated hours later.
No, wasn't me. I said this in response to someone who doubted he could run 2:19 based on his 800m results of lates:
"What's his 1500 PB? 3:34. If he was in last year's Portland Track Festival form he could run 2:17 or 2:18. This year he hasn't been as sharp (noticeable in his 800s) so it could be a close call."
He went faster and the race was set up better than most 1000m races (not overly bunched or erratically paced).
And how is this hardly excited: "His best race of the season. 1:49.4 at 800 and had a kick. Maybe a 3:34-3:35 1500 is around the corner."
Right, you were expecting something in the neighborhood of 2:19.5 from Kessler. Then the kid runs 2:16 and you act like it was a given because he ran 3:34 ~15 months ago. As for hardly excited, how’s this: “I will save the ‘omg what an amazing run’ for when he has a career-best performance,” as if that isn’t what we saw yesterday.
You’re generally a great poster, but you need to quit while you’re behind man.
No, wasn't me. I said this in response to someone who doubted he could run 2:19 based on his 800m results of lates:
"What's his 1500 PB? 3:34. If he was in last year's Portland Track Festival form he could run 2:17 or 2:18. This year he hasn't been as sharp (noticeable in his 800s) so it could be a close call."
He went faster and the race was set up better than most 1000m races (not overly bunched or erratically paced).
And how is this hardly excited: "His best race of the season. 1:49.4 at 800 and had a kick. Maybe a 3:34-3:35 1500 is around the corner."
Right, you were expecting something in the neighborhood of 2:19.5 from Kessler. Then the kid runs 2:16 and you act like it was a given because he ran 3:34 ~15 months ago. As for hardly excited, how’s this: “I will save the ‘omg what an amazing run’ for when he has a career-best performance,” as if that isn’t what we saw yesterday.
You’re generally a great poster, but you need to quit while you’re behind man.
Another Internet tough guy , without a clue. I have known Ron for about 20 years, and I am not "some Random dude", and he has no issue with me posting stuff that happened well over 18 months ago. Trust me.
Right, you were expecting something in the neighborhood of 2:19.5 from Kessler. Then the kid runs 2:16 and you act like it was a given because he ran 3:34 ~15 months ago. As for hardly excited, how’s this: “I will save the ‘omg what an amazing run’ for when he has a career-best performance,” as if that isn’t what we saw yesterday.
You’re generally a great poster, but you need to quit while you’re behind man.
Exactly, my thoughts all along.
Fair points, he did exceed my expectations looking back. I do think I reacted accordingly and fine in correctly praising it as his second best performance ever and indicative a 3:34-3:35 could come soon. But yeah maybe I was too ho-hum about him showing last year's form unexpectedly. I will take a small L, but I generally stand behind not going crazy over where it stands up for 1000s or the U20 stuff with his 3:36-3:39 races this season.
Fair points, he did exceed my expectations looking back. I do think I reacted accordingly and fine in correctly praising it as his second best performance ever and indicative a 3:34-3:35 could come soon. But yeah maybe I was too ho-hum about him showing last year's form unexpectedly. I will take a small L, but I generally stand behind not going crazy over where it stands up for 1000s or the U20 stuff with his 3:36-3:39 races this season.
And , good for you!! It takes the bigger man on that! Well done. I do disagree on the U20 lists stuff, people emphasize Kessler's development based on a truly "one off" mark and that indicated the talent, but come on now..not even I thought he could or would run that, I thought 3:37.00 maybe? And that would have been all time stuff. Those lists World and U.S. are a measurement and one looked at for decades and decades for a perspective. I think the NCAA list is very very telling as well, in that, in a strong year with Garcia Romo and others, he would have had 3 of those top 6 times as well.As a true freshman. Look, I am completely biased on this, but not blinded..I thought he was running okay, only because I had seen this stuff before, where a young guy does not always progress in a linear fashion and it might take a while, especially with a slightly bumped Training load. Just a thought. Be well.
No need to have a conniption fit about this, four pages in here. Hobbs Kessler ran an incredible 1500m last year at 18, and so much is expected of him. We know he is being coached by one of the best, a coach who brought Nick Willis, another prodigy but not nearly at his level at this age, to gradual improvement, two Olympic medals, and 3:29s after years and years, so we can trust that he will have every chance to do the same. This was his best race of the season easily. 2:16.4 is not chopped liver. Look at all the top guys on the lists who have run 2:15-2:17. There are many 1:42-1:44 guys on the list close to his time. They were running these times when they were near top shape in the summer in Europe. For instance, Filip Ingebrigtsen, a guy who has run multiple sub-3:31s, has a 2:16 pr. So, I see Kessler running a very good 1500 after this, 3:33 at least. Recall that he is not being trained from the speed side, so I expect his 1500 to be, if anything, a bit stronger than this.
I like how everyone keeps ignoring the fact that he is missed a full month of training between March and April. His early results weren’t going to be great.
Pace 52 800m A Race 7.30pm 1 Charlie Hunter SEN M Australia 2 Sam Tanner U23 M New Zealand 3 Craig Engels SEN M United States 4 Christian Harrison SEN M United States 5 Hobbs Kesler U20 M United States 6 Thomas Randolph SEN M...
