Gary Martin > Colin Sahlman

3:56.2 on a wet track in 18 mph winds is more impressive than Garys 3:57.98

In 18mph winds...

It was .8 meters per second for the women’s 200m a few minutes before the mile which is just a couple of mph and even slower for the men’s 100m just after. But sure, it was blowing like a mofo out there.

Trying to compare the two is nearly impossible. Very different conditions for both races with pluses and minuses to each.

a "wet track" is not slow. water does not compress and actually makes the track marginally faster.

cool temps with high humidity are actually very fast, as history has repeatedly shown

wind readings, such as that 18mph you're quoting are done at 10 meters (~33 feet) ABOVE ground level. as others have pointed out, just look at the actual wind readings on the track.

the only thing in my mind that makes Sahlman's run potentially better than Gary's is that the former went through 809 in about 1:55 while the latter was about 1:58.

these two kids are really even.

Yeah thats not how wind readings work at all. You cant just look at the m/s in the 100m and say it was a 3-4 mph wind for a Mile race. There would literally never be a single wind legal race if that was the case, +2.0 would be 4.5 mph winds. Take a read.

co.milesplit.com

Track and Field 101: The Wind Gauge

Alan Versaw

A wind gauge, such as the device shown here, is used to quantify how much assist competitors receive from wind conditions. Photo by Alan Versaw.

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The wind was massively gusting the final 30-40 minutes of that meet, it most definitely impacted mile times.

I was there. It was not windy in the stadium during the mile.

This is from your article:

“For conversion purposes, 2.0 meters per second is just a little under 4.5 miles per hour.”

There wasn’t anything in the article that explained how 18 mpw can equate to .8 or .2 meters per second.

Is Sahlman gonna enter New Balance Nationals at Penn? Martin is entered

How much snow was on the track. Was it uphill both ways? God you guys are soft.

The downvote ratio on this accurate factual post demonstrates how utterly out of control the fawning over the NP bots has gotten.

Where did you get that number?

The same place everyone else gets their weather

Here are the hour by hour wind readings in eugene

https://forecast.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KEUG.html

Perhaps you should learn how to read that table?

I dont see 18mph on that table.

But if it were, 18mph is 8.0 mps ,four times the 2.0 legal wind. Also what it says on the rable is that the wind was coming from the South, which is fully blocked by the gigantic arched new stadium roof.

And finally, those wind readings are taken at the airport. Treelass flat land miles from Eugene. You can use Google if you want. ;-)

At 2:54 I see 33 mph SW wind with gusts of 46 mph. Am I reading that table wrong?

Perhaps. It probably was gusting up that high a little after the meet ended.

The weather was changing a lot . After I saw the super fast 1500 times for the women, I ran up to the stadium to check the wind as it was getting windeier and windier in the mixed zone. At one point, I wondered if the tent the press was in might blow over but that type of wind never touched the track level.

The wind was coming from the S or SW W which is the tallest end most blocked by the stadium.

I asked a lot of people about the wind. Ingebrigsten said it was hard to figure out what direction it was coming from. Check out our videos.

Rather than make a virtually impossible determination as to who is better, let us celebrate these two kids who are showing what can be done when one has unusual talent, determination, persistence and a tolerance for discomfort. Let us hope these two retain an enjoyment of the pursuit of excellence and a durability which permits this.

No. Where's the fun in that? Let's make a determination as to who is better!

enough with all this bs. 3.56 is faster than 3.57. y’all having to come up with reasons why a 3.57 performance is better than a 3.56 performance is trivial and sounds dumb. lot of wr are run in less than optimal conditions so to compare times due to conditions is ignorant.