Who ran the more impressive 800 - Juliette Whittaker or Cade Flatt? Who had the better career M. Lewandowski or Adam Kszczot?

Juliette made the US standard but Mr. Flatt did not

so in my humble opinion, She was more impressive

Juliette! Her time would’ve won her NCAA title. Flatt would’ve been 5th.

i'd say Whittaker because she broke that huge albeit arbitrary barrier of 2:00 which puts her into the world class grouping. and she won her race.

both were very exciting though. kinda splitting hairs here.

I say Flatt. He's 4 seconds behind Rudisha.

Juliette was 7 seconds behind Kratochvilova.

The distance between Rudisha's best and Cade's best so far ..is a factor of .95861

The distance between Juliette and Yarmila is a factor of .95

Close...but it's Flatt

as for Lewandowski vs Kzszcot ?

Adam had better per race standings.

I vote Adam

Lewandoski had the better career for sure, no contest. Probably the best Polish runner of all time.

Juliette was .29 behind the fastest high schooler (though a pro), while Cade was .05. Cade was 5.6 s behind Rudisha, while Juliette was 6.52s behind Kratochvilova's doped up record.

Great article as always!

I have one update for you. The line about the first Scot to break 4:00 in the mile since 1985 is missing a very important “in Scotland”! I know Kerr and I’m sure many other Scots have broken the barrier away from home soil.

LRC Note. The correction has been made.

Dude is more than 4 seconds off rudisha where you getting your numbers from? 1:40.91 vs 1:46.51

I’d disagree. I think Marcin would’ve if he’d focused primarily on the 1500 earlier. Adam had superior tactical instincts and earned the better medal success at Worlds (2 silvers vs 1 bronze). That’s more important than PBs.

Of course Julia is more impressive from jump simply because Cade just turned 19 while she is 18. If Cade breaks the 800 HSR now, he might just be the first 19 year old to do it. I can't be completely sure yet but I think he would be. That immediately dims the luster of breaking Granville's record for me. Some kids turning 19 in the summer are going to start their sophomore years in college in the fall.

Did you look at the stats?

Kszcozt was a) faster b) won 2 global silvers outdoors in his speciality while Lewandowski won zero (1 in the 1500) and c) and won 58% of their head to head matchups.

Looking at that, I have to say Kszcozt.

“Rain and lightning delayed the meet by two-and-a-half hours, and even when the meet finally got underway, it still rained for much of the competition and the track was poorly-lit. It was a ready-made excuse to scratch, and a number of the biggest names in the meet (Erriyon Knighton, Grant Holloway, Erriyon Knighton) all wound up pulling out.”

lol

That speaks more to the lack of depth in women's NCAA. Also, NCAA Men's times across all events is close to top world marks ....the top Men's D1 800 (1:43.69) is the fastest in the world for 2022 currently for instance. Women's D1 events are nowhere close to world marks in any event

The historic depth in women's elite 800 times is miniscule compared to the very very deep list of men's 800 performances so the comparison, even if equal or close is still apples to oranges.

Granvilles record is one of the oldest HS records whereas the girls HS 800 record keeps getting broken regularly.

Flatt wind this comparison