Hear, hear! I did a poor job of choosing my forebears.
I picked the right parents for Prometheus Society-level smarts, but the wrong parents for high-level running success.
Hear, hear! I did a poor job of choosing my forebears.
I picked the right parents for Prometheus Society-level smarts, but the wrong parents for high-level running success.
I never believed I could compete with the Kenyans and I never learned I had to sprint like a sprinter. I guess I needed Salazar as a coach.
I was too busy having a life
Many reasons...
Genetics (probably)... I knew loads of juniors who were much better than me and did a lot less training...
Training/injuries... I've never strung together a full year of training without getting injured... I've been a cycle of over-train - get injured - recover - get excited by quick fitness gains - over -train - get injured again for the last 9 years...
Alcohol/drugs/partying... I was making great progress until age 18... Then I was able to buy alcohol and one thing led to another... Over the worst of it now and a little more level-headed, but still find myself drinking a bit too much when injured...
And probably more reasons. However, had absolutely everything gone perfectly I don't think I would have ever been elite... I'll be happy if I can run a sub 15' 5k and a 2h30' marathon before I hang 'em up. If not, I'll enjoy running well a few months each year
The ability to hold a pace is just as genetics driven as top-end speed. That’s why 400/800m guys always suck in XC.
For someone with elite talent, about 90% of of over distance running is going to be easy. Racing is not going to be stressful at all since a tempo effort will result in at least a 30+second win in most XC meets.
In other words, elite talent makes running far more enjoyable than it is for a 9:20 guy.
Nah. People like to think they had the talent to do X but that they were derailed by bad coaching or some other nonsense. Lack of talent is what keeps people (including you) from being very good or elite.
I started running when I was 43. Set all my PRs when I was 46
on about 45 miles a week (38:30 10k is the PR I am the happiest with). Then I stopped training because too many tight muscles, and thus ended my elite dreams. Kidding of course, but I did want to see how low I could get some of my times.
Poipoipoipoi wrote:
Suprised no one has mentioned injuries.
I have an achilles heel, that has kept me injured for the last 10 years. Can't bump mileage up, can't do speedwork, can't wear low drop shoes. I can run fast, but then I won't be able to run again for the next week, so can't string together a consistent schedule. Sucks that at one point I was on track to be a stud, but after I first got injured, I could never match my times.
Are you Galen Rupp?
I wasn't good enough. Most people are not good enough.
Lack of talent. I ran 20:26 5k freshmen year of HS and have lifetime PR of 16:48. Respectable times for a woman, but I'm a man, so I'm pretty mediocre. I win the occasional local road race, but who cares.
I started structured training too late. I started casual jogging (1-2x runs a week) at 18 alongside playing Soccer but didn't really get into any structured run training until 22yo.
18yo - just jogging about at 8min/Mile
19yo - 21:44 to 20:54
20yo - 18:34, 41:11
21yo - 18:21, 36:56
22yo - 17:30
23yo - 17:26, 36:00
24yo - 16:34, 34:26
25yo - 15:31, 32:49
26yo - 15:31
27yo - 15:19, 25:00(5M)
28yo - 14:50, 30:48
I'm sure I can run sub30" in the next year based off how training has been going, but had I known more about the sport or been interested in athletics from a younger age... I just think about all the missed development I could've had from 12-18yo and with that, how much earlier I would've got into a better training regime
I ran too hard on easy days. Way too hard on hard days. Got to college at the start of the lower mileage trends of late 80s early 90s.
Never committed to 100 miles a week for a year or three.
I was sort of close but not really -- 4.05 miler.
I gave it a pretty good shot, went to a great school, surrounded by world-class talent, but there's only so much you can improve through effort vs natural talent. I was roommates with an olympic-level talent and the gap was already there when we got to school freshman year. I was a 4.18 miler and he was a 4.01 miler before we ever even ran our first race. I think that creates both an obvious physical gap but also a mental one, where his expectation of himself was that he'd compete in the olympics whereas mine was to break a 4 minute mile (which never happened). Our mindsets were just different and I think that altered how we approached workouts/lifestyle/goals...etc.
I do think if I gave it 4 more years of pure dedication I could have brought that 4.05 down to maybe 4.01 but knew when I ran 4.05 at 24, I'd never be elite. I just wasn't born for that next level.
I'm a collegiate runner with the same issues. I graduate on saturday. You give me hope.
I like cake way too much.
Most of the time from what I understand, was improper training, Gene's, and or mental. Mine was improper training/mental. My high school track coach always had us on the track and doing repeats. Plateaued pretty quick from sophomore xc to senior xc. Quit my senior year of high school track and did my own training that season, ran a 4:27 1600 meter by myself, I could only imagine what i could have accomplished had i had a good coach and the mental health. Now I'm getting back to running.
DeadLegs12 wrote:
My downfall was my mental game. Overly anxious days before the race and unable to execute led to always running poor races.
post collegiate, got my mind right, and was able to run almost as fast with practically 1/3 the training
I'm actually planning on doing this next year. I was a sprinter and my block form, running form, reaction time all went out the door whenever it was time to race. I'm in a better mental state so I feel like even with less training I could still go out and crush some of my personal bests. That being said I'm unlikely to be elite, it's more to prove to myself the potential that I believed I had.
As a kid I talked like I was elite but tried like a coward. Let 20 years and 100lbs get in the way after that. Started running again and lost the 100lbs last year and now my goal is just to be old man fast.
Middle and long distance running ain't fun
MAG_1962 wrote:
My parents' bad genes.
This should have ended the thread.
How many people did the same workouts as their teammates everyday and somehow got a different result? How many people did more / better workouts than their teammates and got a lesser result or vice versa? The answer is EVERYONE. Talent / genes are the answer. Hard work will help, but will not overcome hard work AND talent.