tuohy has dealt with injuries starting her junior year of hs till entering college (knee surgery) and even last fall she was dealing w minor injury tht kept her away from training for almost a month
but now she says she feels healthy and evidently obvious by her performances for the last 2 months
a 5-second improvement in the finishing kick speed in just under 3 months is not "ordinary", but if that is called stagnating in your world then i dont care, i dont care about the pro scene also, shes in the ncaa, she just turned 20 and has 4 years of college running
"stagnant" isnt the right word because tuohy was still improving given what she had to deal with, she was so out of shape and had so little mileage
she did not ran outdoors of hs coz of covid, supposed to have her surgery earlier but was pushed becoz of covid, after the knee surgery, she went to nc state but did not start running until december 2020
had a compressed track and xc schedule, but still she ran a pb of 4:12 in the 1500m( a top 10 time nationally last year) winning bronze in acc 5000m, being the top freshman in 2020 xc championships, only freshman all-american, out of all the class 2020 hs distance runners, it was tuohy who had the best season and that was without a full build up ..
tuohy has dealt with injuries starting her junior year of hs till entering college (knee surgery) and even last fall she was dealing w minor injury tht kept her away from training for almost a month
but now she says she feels healthy and evidently obvious by her performances for the last 2 months
a 5-second improvement in the finishing kick speed in just under 3 months is not "ordinary", but if that is called stagnating in your world then i dont care, i dont care about the pro scene also, shes in the ncaa, she just turned 20 and has 4 years of college running
What’s a 5-second improvement in finishing kick speed? Wouldn’t a stronger finish indicate better fitness?
stronger finish does not really indicate better fitness, it does partly but not entirely...
kelsey chmiel is more fit than tuohy for the past 2 years yet she could not drop her finishing kick speed to 31s despite doing the same workouts as tuohy
Tuohy was a phenom in HS. Tuohy is a great college runner. But Tuohy has barely improved over the past 5 years and she is 1 minte from being a factor on the world stage. Nothing in her trajectory indicates future greatness. The same gripes that some of you make about great high schooler applies to Tuohy as a college runner. High school phenoms stagnate. Tuohy is stagnating. Look at Schweizer or Purrier or Coburn to see the normal trajectory of an elite runner. Tuhoy is not it.
This is some strange gaslighting you are doing here. Tuohy clearly turned a corner indoors nearly winning two national titles. You'd be blind to not see it. In the past, she could pop off fast times as a high schooler and run away from competition, sure. Now, she is capable of closing out races and finishing with athletes with faster PBs. The times will come and improve to at least very good times for the NCAA. Whether she makes the jump to top American pro I don't know, but she is not stagnating.
Cook is younger and has dealt with more injuries and trains less. Every excuse you provide for Tuohy, you say isn't relevant when it comes to any other runner.
Cook is younger and has dealt with more injuries and trains less. Every excuse you provide for Tuohy, you say isn't relevant when it comes to any other runner.
I guess the question is why you feel the need to diminish one or the other? Cook has amazing talent obviously, and whether she will be able to train enough to become one of the best in the NCAA or pros is the question. Tuohy, it had been whether she will adapt to college training, hold herself back enough to stay healthy, and develop her speed or tactics to win races vs. similar talent. There's only 14 months difference in age. The future looks bright for both.
Cook is younger and has dealt with more injuries and trains less. Every excuse you provide for Tuohy, you say isn't relevant when it comes to any other runner.
what does my comment even have to do with natalie cook? i do not even know who natalie cook is, all i know is that she broke the 5k record of jenna hutchins
now back to the topic, im not "excusing" tuohy, im stating facts
she had A LOT to deal with yet she obviously still had the best freshman season compared to her peers
katelyn went to college w the most pressure, went to college injured, was out of shape most her freshman season, her indoor times in the 3000m in her first races was almost 9:20 but then look at how she dropped it to 8:54 in 10 months, most notably when she broke the 3000m u20 record, she closed in 35-36s but 3 months later she goes to the ncaa nationals and closes in 31-32s (this site is wild, imagine calling that as "stagnating")
katelyn tuohy is an american distance runner from new york, born on march 18, 2002 — she now runs for nc state and is taking up business administration 58x new york state section 1 champion 14x new york state champion 9x new balance national champion 5x national dmr champion 3x nike national xc champion 3x nike regional xc champion 4x county xc champion 40+x xc champion all course venue records 21 new york state records (t) 4 national high school records 1 american u20 records 5x gatorade player of the year high school pr: 1500m 4:14 1 mile 4:33 (hs national record) 3000m 9:01 (hs national record) 3200m 9:47 (hs national record) *i5000m 15:37 (hs national record) college pr: 1500m 4:06 (ncaa no.7 all-time) 3000m 8:54 (american u20 junior record) 5000m 15:14 (ncaa no. 8 all-time) 6x all-american 5x all-academic 1x ncaa xc team runner up 2020 2x ncaa runner-up i5000m&i3000m 2022 2x acc champion i5000&1500m 2022 1x ncaa champion xc team 2021 1x ncaa champion 5000m 2022
Imagine " stagnating " and still being fast enough to get 2nd in 2 national championships back to back one day apart...
I believe the poster is not criticizing Tuohy, but rather pointing out that Tuohy's newfound closing speed is more a factor of 1) overall improved fitness, and 2) improved tactics of going out conservatively in the pack, negative splitting, and winding up the close. In her 2021 races including the BU 3k, she was pushing the pace at the front, fading, and getting out kicked. (Obviously, her base fitness level was continually improving all thru 2021.)
While this new Tuohy is much improved, and will have more choices for tactical options, I would not yet anoint her a "sit and kicker".
how come the difference is only 14 months??? tuohy just turned 20 and is already at college halfway her sophomore year
You can pick what age at which your kid enters kindergarten. Cook’s parents went a year later than the norm, evidently. So she turns 19 in May. Different states have different norms. Where I grew up usually September or October birthdays (eg turning 18 in their senior year then) were the oldest kids in my classes. If we had any 19-year-olds in the school I was not aware of it.
how come the difference is only 14 months??? tuohy just turned 20 and is already at college halfway her sophomore year
You can pick what age at which your kid enters kindergarten. Cook’s parents went a year later than the norm, evidently. So she turns 19 in May. Different states have different norms. Where I grew up usually September or October birthdays (eg turning 18 in their senior year then) were the oldest kids in my classes. If we had any 19-year-olds in the school I was not aware of it.
I remember when I was a senior running against someone in September who was already 19, and I had yet to turn 17.