Jakob will never break 3:26

Terrific. Another Sub-3:26.00 thread.

El G was 2 months short of his 24th birthday when he ran 3:26. Jakob is 21 years old. When El G was 2 months short of his 23rd birthday his pb was 3:28.91. When he was Jakob's age, his pb was 3:31.

El G had likely been on full throttle EPO, hgh, the best roids etc, since he was 16 or 17 at the latest (when he joined the Moroccan science lab financed by the billionaire king).

But yeah, I see your point.

Jakob has definately peaked now. No I mean he has REALLY DEFINATELY peaked now.

Face it, it's probable that Jakob will run under 3:26 this year or next. It's quite likely he could run 3:24 if he keeps his motivation and desire up for several more years and stays injury free, just as we were predicting years ago.

But you have told us one cannot run that fast and be clean. So you are telling us Jakob is doping. Why would you accuse him of this?

Correct. Yakob will never break 3:26. I agree with all of your points. He will never break the real world record, he will have to settle for the mickey mouse record.

On a related note, it's curious how whenever a random african breaks an obscure record it always gets downplayed, understandably so because they are very soft records, but when Yakob does the same and goes after arguably the softest of obscure records it gets blown up as a huge deal. If we are to remain objective, this 3:30 indoors speaks nothing of how close he can get to 3:26 because the 3:31 barrier indoors is not in the same stratosphere as the 3:26 barrier outdoors.

3:25 as you say is not easy. It speaks volumes that even with superspikes, supertracks, and superpacing, the current generation is still off by over 3 seconds. Cheptegei was capable of exploiting these technological advancements to outdo Bekele by a good margin, but perhaps he's simply more talented than the current crop of milers. At this point I doubt this current crop of milers will ever produce a 3:26, let alone a 3:25.

The previous world records: Aouita (3:29.4) and Morceli (3:27.37) were likely on PEDs and El G still ran significantly faster than them. I may be naive but I don’t think Jakob will be on PEDs at least to the extent of those in the 80s/90s as a result of better out of competition and in competition testing. Which is another reason why I think 3:26.00 is out of reach.

I dont understand the allure of discussing this. Jakob will do his best to run as fast as he can so he can win as many medals and awards as possible. Time will show whether he will come close to this time or not. Eventually he will descide whether he will move up to 5000 or stop running.

I dont think its any point discussing the prospect of a world record right now, he is far closer to a WC gold than a world record. Maybe when/if he has improved and the record actually is within grasp, which it isn't right now.

I hope Jakob will have a long career, even if he set a WR or not I think a long career will give him the times and medals to prove him as a legend of the sport, if so a division under El G etc, but there is honestly no shame in that.

I'm pretty sure all your "grudge" was exhibited yesterday.

Remember "Ingerbrigsten" is an "isolated point" like we say in math.

So dream of the new "Europrean renaissance".

They had PEDs then, and have bouncy tracks, super spikes, wavelight and micro-dosing now.

JI ran his 3:28.32 in the third race within 5 days, in a loaded field, while having to lead from 150m to 450m and also overtaking Tim in the (last) curve, which obviously is suboptimal.

If they can set up a true WR attempt in Monaco, Bislett or Lausanne with 1st pacemaker going through 800m in 1:49.5 and Sowinski as 2nd pacemaker at 1000m in 2:18.0, assisted with wavelight, Jakob has a serious chance to take a try at the WR.

While everything has to go perfect, JI also needs to take into consideration, that the first 800m in 1:50 shouldn't hurt too much, therefore I would pay a slightly more attention to his 800m speed without getting carried away with 5000m. If he can get his 800m PB to 1:45, he can get that WR.

The thing is I want to cheer for Yakob too but all these fanboys acting like we're on the cusp of a 3:25 at every waking moment make it hard to. The reason this subject keeps coming up is because of that. The pragmatic naysayers are just reacting to that.

I certainly agree he can go faster this year in a race like Monaco ~3:27.5 but you make a good point that once you start going out in sub 1:50 his 800 potential becomes a limiting factor as I think he would struggle to break 1:45 which is probably required to break the WR. Yes, El G never officially broke 1:45 but I certainly think he had the potential whereas with Jakob I don’t.

Also, I personally don’t think the spikes help as much as people say - 3 seconds in the shorter events like the 15. Spikes have always been stiff and ultra-lightweight and if anything the foam in the dragonfly’s (which obviously helps the longer events) may actually have a slight negative affect, if not then only a very small benefit.

El G doesn't need anyone defending him. His record is spotless. Multiple-time Olympic Gold and World medalist. Absolute GOAT over 1500m. Interesting thing is that he and Yakob run the same style races.. only difference I notice is that El G was more fearless. Yakob has yet to take a race out the way El G used to, which is why perhaps he could threaten the record.

Yet, he's getting paid. Real money. Are you jealous of Jakob Ingebrigtsen?

What Ingerbrigsten is doing today, remembered me what Nourredine Morcelli was doing to Aouita in the beginning of the 90s.

A new runner comes, stoles the ideas, and put himself as challenger or protagonist.

I'm trying to figure out who Igerbrigtsen is. Still searching. Is he the one who competes against Kitar?

Mr Guerrouj didn't take races out. He followed in succession behind a parade of rabbits, one of whom was to become Olympic champion in the Mile King's second quest for 1500m gold.

Oh no! He had to lead for a whole 300m, what a disaster.

Cut the crap, that race was almost as good as its gonna get. To portray that race's conditions as FAAAAAR from ideal is disingenuous. The fact that nearly everyone outside of an injured Tim and a Katir going through withdrawal set a PB should tell you as much. The pacing can maybe be marginally better, but the stakes, the adrenaline of that moment, in that loaded field (which is a benefit rather than a hindrance) will probably not be replicated.

If youre trying to sell that 3:28.3 as anything more than a 3:27.9, you are mistaken. You are underselling all the conditions that lent themselves to a fast performance on that olympic final.

With your every post I can tell that you don't have experience as a runner yourself. There is a HUGE difference if you're racing and the runners in front of you are your contenders for an olympic medal or you know they're your pacers with a specific goal and you have to stick with them no matter what.

Watch El Gs WR race on youtube. He had a nice set up, running in third for most of the distance, with 1st pacemaker stepping off at 800m and Noah "MF" Ngeny stepping off at incredible 1050m. That's how tthis WR was set and that's what JI needs to emulate to have a chance at it.

BTW, 3 races in 5 days IS a factor, considering it was 3:36, 3:32 and a 3:28. Fresh legs are a thing, you would know that if you ever raced.

You mean like how Aouita stole Coe's training, added blood doping and HGH, and claimed to have invented 'special methods'?