Must read: Marius Bakken (13.06 5k) very thoroughly on how the Ingebrigtsens have copied his training

never heard of him

Does Joe Newton deserve the credit?

Gjert doesn't even deny that, he mentions using Marius Bakken principles in an interview.

Marius Bakken was the most advanced athlete / coach of his time and came to his training concept through a lot of trail / error + advanced analysis. A legit distance running genius, who trained himself to 7:40 3000m and 13:06 5000m, both were Norwegian records untill Ingebrigtsens came along.

I always followed Bakkens blog and admired him for the incredible work he has done.

in for later! very long article.

interesting that Gjert has been able to apply this training to 1500 meters. Looking forward to the read.

Also, I see Coe mentioned early. I believe Coe was overtrained for much of his career. Specifically, during peaking periods. When I read the stuff he was doing DURING the 84 games, it is just jaw dropping. Though I don't know what is typical for athletes at that level, so maybe I am WAY WAY WAY WAY off.

Master of LolIy wrote:

Gjert doesn't even deny that, he mentions using Marius Bakken principles in an interview.

True, but in the interview he says he only talked to Bakken once or twice to learn from Bakken's mistakes, but it seems the core of his system was developed by Bakken.

high school xc coach wrote:

in for later! very long article.

interesting that Gjert has been able to apply this training to 1500 meters. Looking forward to the read.

Also, I see Coe mentioned early. I believe Coe was overtrained for much of his career. Specifically, during peaking periods. When I read the stuff he was doing DURING the 84 games, it is just jaw dropping. Though I don't know what is typical for athletes at that level, so maybe I am WAY WAY WAY WAY off.

I think Bakken also would agree with that. Fun fact: he lived in Coes bedroom for a period while being coached by his dad. Surreal experience as Seb was one of his idols.

Thanks for sharing. Interesting that Gjert Ingebrigtsen would lie about the amount of correspondence he had with Marius, especially since it seemed that Gjert learned 80+% of his method from the correspondence with Marius.

Norway speaking wrote:

Turns out Gjert didn't invent the wheel all by himself:

http://www.mariusbakken.com/the-norwegian-model.html?fbclid=IwAR1fYnCFHO0UzpZe3hIwwlWeZVnWNwrnOqWTL2xQJ59-YCzksX-oJvx2UD8

Uf. I wish I had seen your post. I just placed it in the Ingebrigtsen training thread.

Note that Gjert has been very forthcoming regarding his reliance on Marius when first beginning training Henrik. It is very common knowledge.

LarsL9 wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

in for later! very long article.

interesting that Gjert has been able to apply this training to 1500 meters. Looking forward to the read.

Also, I see Coe mentioned early. I believe Coe was overtrained for much of his career. Specifically, during peaking periods. When I read the stuff he was doing DURING the 84 games, it is just jaw dropping. Though I don't know what is typical for athletes at that level, so maybe I am WAY WAY WAY WAY off.

I think Bakken also would agree with that. Fun fact: he lived in Coes bedroom for a period while being coached by his dad. Surreal experience as Seb was one of his idols.

Marius was a foreign exchange student in the USA with Joe Newton (Illinois) for a period. This is the same place where coe trained for a block period before the LA Olympics. The Coe family is very friendly with Newton, and this is where the Bakken/Coe relationship was connected.

gothrat wrote:

never heard of him

You don´t follow running much, do you?

Thanks for sharing, interesting read. Basic week is 2 threshold runs on Tue and Thur for a total of 4 threshold sessions a week. All done as intervals (max ~6min), no long tempos. Saturday faster or hill work.

Any thoughts on what 3mmol/l translates to for most people for paces or heart rate?

Superspikesposter wrote:

Thanks for sharing. Interesting that Gjert Ingebrigtsen would lie about the amount of correspondence he had with Marius, especially since it seemed that Gjert learned 80+% of his method from the correspondence with Marius.

Yes, it’s very odd and a bit embarrassing.

It is open and common knowledge in Norway where his root knowledge has come from.

Master of LolIy wrote:

Norway speaking wrote:

True, but in the interview he says he only talked to Bakken once or twice to learn from Bakken's mistakes, but it seems the core of his system was developed by Bakken.

Henrik also has lied to me about not knowing who Cole Hocker is 3 months before Olympics. They are shady MFs.

Lmao, what a weird thing for you to be upset about.

thanks for sharing. I heard the podcasts numerous times and also read his old blog posts to find more hidden info, but this update is good and a big and rightful credit to the great work he and his team did early 2000 and what he has done for others since then. That Gjert does not mention all his communication I cannot understand, or it is just remembering different, but a big big credit nevertheless must be given to him and his team for fine-tuning and succeeding with this approach so tremendously.

There is only on question and that is: It seems we all are different and would need slightly different approaches and stimuli to succeed, but this model is the same for all. Is it even possible that one and the same method can work for anyone? Probably it suits a special type of runner and not as good for others. In Norway now, "everone" is following this. probably not best for all.

reader, wrote:

Thanks for sharing, interesting read. Basic week is 2 threshold runs on Tue and Thur for a total of 4 threshold sessions a week. All done as intervals (max ~6min), no long tempos. Saturday faster or hill work.

Any thoughts on what 3mmol/l translates to for most people for paces or heart rate?

Is there a way to accurately and effectively do this without a lactate meter? Maybe using power or, as mentioned above, heart rate?

msndjjxjnnnn wrote:

Master of LolIy wrote:

Henrik also has lied to me about not knowing who Cole Hocker is 3 months before Olympics. They are shady MFs.

Lmao, what a weird thing for you to be upset about.

What a weird thing to lie about though. And btw. I am not upset at all, just surprised.

reader, wrote:

Thanks for sharing, interesting read. Basic week is 2 threshold runs on Tue and Thur for a total of 4 threshold sessions a week. All done as intervals (max ~6min), no long tempos. Saturday faster or hill work.

Any thoughts on what 3mmol/l translates to for most people for paces or heart rate?

From this article it appears to me they are training roughly marathon pace for the 3mmol. (See Illustration 1).

Seems to fly in the face of a lot of the accepted paradigms.

Maybe I have misread the article?

Norway speaking wrote:

Turns out Gjert didn't invent the wheel all by himself:

http://www.mariusbakken.com/the-norwegian-model.html?fbclid=IwAR1fYnCFHO0UzpZe3hIwwlWeZVnWNwrnOqWTL2xQJ59-YCzksX-oJvx2UD8

It's a long article that's not in the author's native language, so it's a little hard to follow. Tell me if my one line summary is correct.

Double days of threshold intervals at comfortably hard pace, twice per week, with most everything else at easy pace (plus some weights and hills sprinkled in) with a total volume of about 100-110 miles per week.