Love running in cold weather. It makes you mentally stronger.

Well done. Nice progression. Wind a factor? Snow or ice? Cold, with dry pavement and light winds shouldn't slow you down very much.

BTW, 8-flat average for 20 miles is about as fast I've ever done in training for sub-3 marathons.

Some ice, wind from South on return leg.

Thanks for the kind words, I also didn't want to leave my race in the long run. Next week is 18 but more at goal pace (7:30).

I prefer warmer weather but to each their own.

70-75F sounds nice wrote:

I prefer warmer weather but to each their own.

That's fair, the actual best weather for me is 38-40'F. I go haywire if it's 70-75'F on race day lol

I like that temp for training. For a race it would be between 60-70. I don't do marathons and rarely a half so mostly 5K, 8K, & 10K's

If you are training in zero temps near sea level, you will continue to adapt and be ready for a cold Saint Patrick's Day road race in similar conditions.

I love running in the cold. It's not a chore at all for me so I don't think it really helps make me mentally stronger.

It’s funny cause I just saw this on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CYew88MBuQj/?utm_medium=copy_link

Nothing wrong with running indoors when it’s below 10 degrees and the sidewalks are garbage.

Cold is no problem. It’s really only the icy footing that shuts down running routes that creates the problem in winter. I’d take a whole winters worth of 15 degree runs if it meant we’d get no ice or snow

70-75F sounds nice wrote:

I like that temp for training. For a race it would be between 60-70. I don't do marathons and rarely a half so mostly 5K, 8K, & 10K's

Ok, thanks for clarifying, that is understandable.

I find the exact same for training in extreme hot weather too. At the moment it's mid summer down here in New Zealand and the temperature has been in the mid 90s. Training mid afternoon, especially long runs is a real test of mental fortitude!

18 miles @ goal pace?

I don’t really understand why you’d do that. I’m similar to you (aiming for 3:15) but I would struggle to run that. I just did 16 @ 8:20 min mile and that felt fast enough.

I think you run your long runs too fast.

Aren't you the guy who ran himself into injury, then ran 17 miles while injured a month ago? Whatever you think mental toughness is, I don't think what you are doing will help your running if you're hitting 20 again already. My two sense.

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Aren't you the guy who ran himself into injury, then ran 17 miles while injured a month ago? Whatever you think mental toughness is, I don't think what you are doing will help your running if you're hitting 20 again already. My two sense.

3 weeks ago actually lmao:

jecht wrote:

[quote]Moo G wrote:

Your symptoms sounds exactly like a problem my friend had before NYC marathon. I wouldn't run through it. His diagnosis turned out to be pretty bad. Take some time off first. He had a chipped bone on his knee along with tear there.

I think it may be that. Did 17 and was fine until Mile 16 yesterday, but galloped the last mile...literally...the left hip was pullign forward and the right knee was in pain.

Went to the PT and they said it was an upper gastroc (not soleus, but above it) and gave me stretches.

Went and did 6 today and started off fine at 9-9:30 for recovery but the last 4 were very painful, 10:30-13:00 pace. I think I will go get an MRI despite the cost. I should have asked him to do a gait analysis but I wasn't thinking.

I know the PT said gastroc but my gut feeling is that it's a knee tear or chip somewhere.

I'm very mad at myself because had I run a better marathon last fall (under 3:15), I probably wouldn't have to run another cycle for WUC and would have just done my normal 4-6 a day in the off-season for base mileage and maintenance.

If he survives, it will be because of dumb luck, not because of smart training. And definitely not because of mental toughness. Allow me to introduce everyone to our next LateRunnerPhil!

3 weeks ago actually lmao:

If he survives, it will be because of dumb luck, not because of smart training. And definitely not because of mental toughness. Allow me to introduce everyone to our next LateRunnerPhil! ("edited" to fix formatting)