This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
We have plenty of evidence supporting 3 and 4 doses of vaccine being superior to infection, especially in the context of Omicron. So unless you have evidence to support why 6 doses would deviate from this trend (i.e. doses 5 and 6 would make the response worse) then I don't see how this isn't just a demand for random data / trials that you expect to magically trend the opposite of all prior evidence / data.
Maybe you expect 6 dose people to be a sickly population (mostly elderly and IC) and so there will be cohort effects vs. the unvaxxed? Would be a nice game for you play I guess.
"I demand specific data that I know will run counter to all prior evidence / trends... or I reject all evidence" is a boring / unserious place to argue from.
Silence = admission of guilt?
Nope. I’m saying the veracity of your data is very much in question. Many severe vaccine injuries, like my buddy, haven’t made their way back to VAERS, the database on which you and others cull so much of your statistics. You want to pretend he’s make believe or it’s not a true vaccine injury or it’s an outlier. When everyone with a brain knows this not to be true.
On an absolute basis if you’re comparing someone in a risky category who’s never been vaccinated OR infected against someone who is thrice vaxxed versus Delta infection and serious outcomes, for example, you’re right. But anyone in a reasonably low risk category (age, weight, comorbidities) who is Covid convalescent has equivalent or better cell-mediated immunity, especially if convalescent with Delta against serious outcomes and, very likely, against “breakthrough” infection. I’ve never said otherwise.
Why are we still talking about Covid and Covid vaccines is the real question? Vaccines are being pulled, former prominent media figures and czars are doing 180s or resigning/losing their jobs or hidden from public view, and community immunity has been with us since Omicron, going back some 2+ years. But you guys still want to ruminate. It’s incredible.
Meanwhile, Djokovic will go down as the most famous, best player to ever play the game of tennis, with the all time grand slams-winning record, despite being denied the ability to play in multiple tournaments, but retaining the courage of his convictions. To think he was allowed into the US to play the US Open in 2021 during the height of Delta but denied in 2022 when the mother lineage of Omicron had largely faded. Smh.
Nope. I’m saying the veracity of your data is very much in question. Many severe vaccine injuries, like my buddy, haven’t made their way back to VAERS, the database on which you and others cull so much of your statistics. You want to pretend he’s make believe or it’s not a true vaccine injury or it’s an outlier. When everyone with a brain knows this not to be true.
On an absolute basis if you’re comparing someone in a risky category who’s never been vaccinated OR infected against someone who is thrice vaxxed versus Delta infection and serious outcomes, for example, you’re right. But anyone in a reasonably low risk category (age, weight, comorbidities) who is Covid convalescent has equivalent or better cell-mediated immunity, especially if convalescent with Delta against serious outcomes and, very likely, against “breakthrough” infection. I’ve never said otherwise.
Why are we still talking about Covid and Covid vaccines is the real question? Vaccines are being pulled, former prominent media figures and czars are doing 180s or resigning/losing their jobs or hidden from public view, and community immunity has been with us since Omicron, going back some 2+ years. But you guys still want to ruminate. It’s incredible.
Must suck losing your 15 minutes, err, 15 months of fame.
To think he was allowed into the US to play the US Open in 2021 during the height of Delta but denied in 2022 when the mother lineage of Omicron had largely faded. Smh.
Almost makes us look like we didn’t know what the hell we were doing.
Well, because you brought him up out of the blue like a week ago. Also, because you absolutely can’t refuse responding to a Djokovic post. It’s humorous.
Now I know you're not actually claiming this. Out of the blue? I had a very good reason to.
You, on the other hand, are still talking a week later. Because ya got nothing else.
Why are we still talking about Covid and Covid vaccines is the real question? Vaccines are being pulled, former prominent media figures and czars are doing 180s or resigning/losing their jobs or hidden from public view, and community immunity has been with us since Omicron, going back some 2+ years. But you guys still want to ruminate. It’s incredible.
The most disingenuous stuff I've seen in some time.
No vaccine still in wide distribution is being pulled. The DNA-vector vaccines have barely been used since 2021 when very rare clotting events were uncovered. The mRNA vaccines are still highly effective and safe. In fact, no new adverse events have been uncovered for any vaccine – all the headlines refer to adverse events for the DNA-vector vaccines that were discovered in 2021. Yes, 3 years ago. And antivaxxers have just learned about it.
Who uncovered them? Public health agencies. Countries then disfavored these shots out of an abundance of caution. In fact, analyses showed that withholding these shots was likely killing people but federal agencies were so cautious about adverse events. Because they knew contrarians like those on these boards would seize on them and turn it into murderous propaganda.
Of course this goes completely against the narrative of "omg the governments are forcing deadly shots on us" so antivaxxers conveniently forget all this after 3 years.
I do not forget. You're welcome for a little education.
Federal health agencies: "DNA-vector vaccines are effective but have very rare complications. They are still a net-positive. However, nutso antivaxxers will spread crazy propaganda if we make the data-driven choice. We will cave to them and pause these vaccines, even though thousands will die that could have been saved from COVID"
Now in 2024:
Antivaxxers: "Nobody is talking about this. Why does nobody listen to us. It's all a big coverup"
Hard to explain this other than narcissism and pure murderous intent. These antivaxxers literally already convinced countries to murder thousands of their own citizens and that's still not enough.
Well, because you brought him up out of the blue like a week ago. Also, because you absolutely can’t refuse responding to a Djokovic post. It’s humorous.
Now I know you're not actually claiming this. Out of the blue? I had a very good reason to.
You, on the other hand, are still talking a week later. Because ya got nothing else.
Yet, here you are responding, again. As predicted. Very good reason, lol.
Why are we still talking about Covid and Covid vaccines is the real question? Vaccines are being pulled, former prominent media figures and czars are doing 180s or resigning/losing their jobs or hidden from public view, and community immunity has been with us since Omicron, going back some 2+ years. But you guys still want to ruminate. It’s incredible.
The most disingenuous stuff I've seen in some time.
No vaccine still in wide distribution is being pulled. The DNA-vector vaccines have barely been used since 2021 when very rare clotting events were uncovered. The mRNA vaccines are still highly effective and safe. In fact, no new adverse events have been uncovered for any vaccine – all the headlines refer to adverse events for the DNA-vector vaccines that were discovered in 2021. Yes, 3 years ago. And antivaxxers have just learned about it.
Who uncovered them? Public health agencies. Countries then disfavored these shots out of an abundance of caution. In fact, analyses showed that withholding these shots was likely killing people but federal agencies were so cautious about adverse events. Because they knew contrarians like those on these boards would seize on them and turn it into murderous propaganda.
Of course this goes completely against the narrative of "omg the governments are forcing deadly shots on us" so antivaxxers conveniently forget all this after 3 years.
I do not forget. You're welcome for a little education.
You’re still missing it. Nobody cares about viral vector vaccines, even though it’s taken forever to actually shutter them. They were never *formally* approved in the US anyway. Yet, this is where you focus your entire response.
All people care about is that they had agency in their health care decisions, especially those of us who were not in risky cohorts, not to be ridiculed when already possessing equivalent immunity, derived from convalescence with, especially, a highly immunogenic strain, and full transparency of actual vaccine injury data, which is severely lacking.
You’ve quite literally educated no one, you’ve compelled nobody, once again. Your 15 minutes, err, months is up buddy. I wonder if you’ll go full tilt diarrhea of the mouth again tonight. I sure hope so.
Nope. I’m saying the veracity of your data is very much in question. Many severe vaccine injuries, like my buddy, haven’t made their way back to VAERS, the database on which you and others cull so much of your statistics. You want to pretend he’s make believe or it’s not a true vaccine injury or it’s an outlier. When everyone with a brain knows this not to be true.
On an absolute basis if you’re comparing someone in a risky category who’s never been vaccinated OR infected against someone who is thrice vaxxed versus Delta infection and serious outcomes, for example, you’re right. But anyone in a reasonably low risk category (age, weight, comorbidities) who is Covid convalescent has equivalent or better cell-mediated immunity, especially if convalescent with Delta against serious outcomes and, very likely, against “breakthrough” infection. I’ve never said otherwise.
Why are we still talking about Covid and Covid vaccines is the real question? Vaccines are being pulled, former prominent media figures and czars are doing 180s or resigning/losing their jobs or hidden from public view, and community immunity has been with us since Omicron, going back some 2+ years. But you guys still want to ruminate. It’s incredible.
Actually I have never used VAERS for adverse event statistics since it's not casual or controlled?
The knowledge gap is too apparent here. I asked you to defend a claim you accidentally(?) made and now you say "but my friend" and "thrice vaccinated" (before it was 6!).... and then "wait bro idk why we are talking about this!" ... you brought up the argument! Just weird.
Well, because you brought him up out of the blue like a week ago. Also, because you absolutely can’t refuse responding to a Djokovic post. It’s humorous.
Now I know you're not actually claiming this. Out of the blue? I had a very good reason to.
You, on the other hand, are still talking a week later. Because ya got nothing else.
This thread went off the rails over two years ago, ever since Omicron ended Covid. What else is there ti talk about anymore? Unless you want to cobble together a study looking at six iterations of vaccines VERSUS natural immunity. As a dedicated member of the control group, I volunteer.
Yep. Harambro just can’t move on. When omicron ended Covid ( something the vaccines failed to do), he lost his identity. Ever since it’s been a downhill spiral.
Then last night he went apesh1t (pun intended). All because…
J&J
AZ
😂
Speaking of not being able to move on, I can’t stop laughing at this post. I don’t know why 😂😂
Nope. I’m saying the veracity of your data is very much in question. Many severe vaccine injuries, like my buddy, haven’t made their way back to VAERS, the database on which you and others cull so much of your statistics. You want to pretend he’s make believe or it’s not a true vaccine injury or it’s an outlier. When everyone with a brain knows this not to be true.
On an absolute basis if you’re comparing someone in a risky category who’s never been vaccinated OR infected against someone who is thrice vaxxed versus Delta infection and serious outcomes, for example, you’re right. But anyone in a reasonably low risk category (age, weight, comorbidities) who is Covid convalescent has equivalent or better cell-mediated immunity, especially if convalescent with Delta against serious outcomes and, very likely, against “breakthrough” infection. I’ve never said otherwise.
Why are we still talking about Covid and Covid vaccines is the real question? Vaccines are being pulled, former prominent media figures and czars are doing 180s or resigning/losing their jobs or hidden from public view, and community immunity has been with us since Omicron, going back some 2+ years. But you guys still want to ruminate. It’s incredible.
Actually I have never used VAERS for adverse event statistics since it's not casual or controlled?
The knowledge gap is too apparent here. I asked you to defend a claim you accidentally(?) made and now you say "but my friend" and "thrice vaccinated" (before it was 6!).... and then "wait bro idk why we are talking about this!" ... you brought up the argument! Just weird.
Actually I have never used VAERS for adverse event statistics since it's not casual or controlled?
The knowledge gap is too apparent here. I asked you to defend a claim you accidentally(?) made and now you say "but my friend" and "thrice vaccinated" (before it was 6!).... and then "wait bro idk why we are talking about this!" ... you brought up the argument! Just weird.
The most disingenuous stuff I've seen in some time.
No vaccine still in wide distribution is being pulled. The DNA-vector vaccines have barely been used since 2021 when very rare clotting events were uncovered. The mRNA vaccines are still highly effective and safe. In fact, no new adverse events have been uncovered for any vaccine – all the headlines refer to adverse events for the DNA-vector vaccines that were discovered in 2021. Yes, 3 years ago. And antivaxxers have just learned about it.
Who uncovered them? Public health agencies. Countries then disfavored these shots out of an abundance of caution. In fact, analyses showed that withholding these shots was likely killing people but federal agencies were so cautious about adverse events. Because they knew contrarians like those on these boards would seize on them and turn it into murderous propaganda.
Of course this goes completely against the narrative of "omg the governments are forcing deadly shots on us" so antivaxxers conveniently forget all this after 3 years.
I do not forget. You're welcome for a little education.
You’re still missing it. Nobody cares about viral vector vaccines, even though it’s taken forever to actually shutter them. They were never *formally* approved in the US anyway. Yet, this is where you focus your entire response.
All people care about is that they had agency in their health care decisions, especially those of us who were not in risky cohorts, not to be ridiculed when already possessing equivalent immunity, derived from convalescence with, especially, a highly immunogenic strain, and full transparency of actual vaccine injury data, which is severely lacking.
You’ve quite literally educated no one, you’ve compelled nobody, once again. Your 15 minutes, err, months is up buddy. I wonder if you’ll go full tilt diarrhea of the mouth again tonight. I sure hope so.
If nobody cares about them why were you just babbling about their safety and trying to conflate with the mRNA vaccines.
Anway, glad you’ve changed your tune in the span of oh, one post by me.