This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
The CDC had no choice but to abandon science. We live in a free market society that can’t be shut down for two minutes let alone fifteen days or whatever it was. The best they could do was try and mitigate some damage and kick a sketchy vaccine out to us rubes. Christ almighty am I the only one here not wedded to some evangelical political belief.
Nobody, that’s who cares, nobody. As Fisky correctly pointed out, this trial is a red herring and in no way emulates the manner in which the FLCCC has suggested implementing the IVM protocol and nobody is looking emulate it. No trials were conducted looking at it extremely early and when administered with a known RNA polymerase inhibitor in chelated Zinc. Everyone I know who took IVM had an extremely minor case of Covid, and some who take it prophylactically have never acquired Covid. That’s actually a ton of people now.
But, who cares indeed. Interesting that you posted this Vit C study this morning but not the other, far more important study on the front page of the NEJM:
“Even though the five forms of immunity investigated showed large differences in protection against symptomatic infection that ranged from 0 to 80%, they all showed strong protection against Covid-19–related hospitalization and death, at an effectiveness of more than 70%. This suggests that ANY FORM of previous immunity, whether induced by previous infection or vaccination, is associated with strong and durable protection against Covid-19–related hospitalization and death.
Notably, there was no evidence for a difference in severity between BA.1 and BA.2 infections in the study samples. No notable differences were observed between the effects of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 vaccination. The results confirmed other findings that we reported recently, including a protection of approximately 50% for previous infection against reinfection with BA.1,2 a protection of approximately 50% for mRNA boosters as compared with primary series,4 and the finding that mRNA vaccines have negligible effectiveness against omicron infection 6 or more months after the second dose.3”
Yes, the paper concedes that hybrid immunity after the infection AND the booster appears to have the strongest efficacy, both acting independently of one another. However, the authors also make the important point that not enough time AFTER the booster had elapsed to truly evaluate the efficacy of this approach.
It's funny this thread has died because the all of anti-vaxxers conspiracy theories have flatten completely flat. The past few months were supposed to be "the proof," but the vaccines continue to be exceptionally effective at stopping people from dying.
What is funny is that you "and" Harambe "both" stopped posting for 5 days, and now you are "both" back posting within minutes of each other.
Nobody, that’s who cares, nobody. As Fisky correctly pointed out, this trial is a red herring and in no way emulates the manner in which the FLCCC has suggested implementing the IVM protocol and nobody is looking emulate it. No trials were conducted looking at it extremely early and when administered with a known RNA polymerase inhibitor in chelated Zinc. Everyone I know who took IVM had an extremely minor case of Covid, and some who take it prophylactically have never acquired Covid. That’s actually a ton of people now.
But, who cares indeed. Interesting that you posted this Vit C study this morning but not the other, far more important study on the front page of the NEJM:
“Even though the five forms of immunity investigated showed large differences in protection against symptomatic infection that ranged from 0 to 80%, they all showed strong protection against Covid-19–related hospitalization and death, at an effectiveness of more than 70%. This suggests that ANY FORM of previous immunity, whether induced by previous infection or vaccination, is associated with strong and durable protection against Covid-19–related hospitalization and death.
Notably, there was no evidence for a difference in severity between BA.1 and BA.2 infections in the study samples. No notable differences were observed between the effects of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 vaccination. The results confirmed other findings that we reported recently, including a protection of approximately 50% for previous infection against reinfection with BA.1,2 a protection of approximately 50% for mRNA boosters as compared with primary series,4 and the finding that mRNA vaccines have negligible effectiveness against omicron infection 6 or more months after the second dose.3”
Yes, the paper concedes that hybrid immunity after the infection AND the booster appears to have the strongest efficacy, both acting independently of one another. However, the authors also make the important point that not enough time AFTER the booster had elapsed to truly evaluate the efficacy of this approach.
Why would you take ivermectin for a cold? Makes no fvcking sense. I took NyQuil in the evenings and that was it. I was literally drinking whiskey and smoking joints the entire week I was sick.
It's funny this thread has died because the all of anti-vaxxers conspiracy theories have flatten completely flat. The past few months were supposed to be "the proof," but the vaccines continue to be exceptionally effective at stopping people from dying.
I imagine the thread has died down largely because most pandemic restrictions have been lifted as we've apparently reached an endemic stage with socially acceptable community health risks.
Anti-vaxxism never made much sense on a rational technical level, rather is mostly push back against being inconvenienced by public health policy. It's just more socially acceptable to "question the science" than to admit to pathological selfishness.
“All the risks are to the innocent children and all of the billion-dollar rewards go to the government-protected pharmaceuticals,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), after advisors to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration tod...
It's funny this thread has died because the all of anti-vaxxers conspiracy theories have flatten completely flat. The past few months were supposed to be "the proof," but the vaccines continue to be exceptionally effective at stopping people from dying.
Yeah...right kid - so if us anti-vaxxers/pro-choicers/informed consent advocates don't post for awhile, then the facts of all of the damaging adversed events occurring have fallen completely flat? Conversely, when we do post providing evidence of the plethora of damaging events occurring at an alarming rate, we're accused of presenting anti-vaxx propaganda, e.g, Bigtree doesn't know what he's talking about, Dr. Malone is crazy, Ben Armstrong & The New American site are deemed propaganda by some Liberal funded "fact-checker" site, and so on. Lol
It's pretty much pointless in debating this with you foot soldiers of the industry. Your agenda is simply to promote the gene-therapy drug as "safe & effective" and dismiss & undermine the plethora of side-effects that have occurred since it was introduced. And let's not forgot Biden's Billion dollars $$$ of taxpayer's dough that was allocated to media outlets to promote the vaccine dismissing & undermining the adverse events. And there's the phony industry-funded studies that you & your mentor keep posting that dismisses natural immunity while promoting an ineffective vaccine, smears IVM, downplays the effectiveness of D3, etc.
The game was rigged from the beginning...no surprises there.
The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) is overwhelmed and understaffed with the amount of injury claims being filed from the Covid-19 Vaccines. The program is now on life support and is on the verge of collapse. #VICP...
One program covers nearly three times as many vaccines today as it did when it was created three decades ago. Despite bipartisan calls for change, Congress has failed to act.
It's funny this thread has died because the all of anti-vaxxers conspiracy theories have flatten completely flat. The past few months were supposed to be "the proof," but the vaccines continue to be exceptionally effective at stopping people from dying.
I imagine the thread has died down largely because most pandemic restrictions have been lifted as we've apparently reached an endemic stage with socially acceptable community health risks.
Anti-vaxxism never made much sense on a rational technical level, rather is mostly push back against being inconvenienced by public health policy. It's just more socially acceptable to "question the science" than to admit to pathological selfishness.
Again, read the paper. For those of you playing at home, especially pay attention to the results and conclusions in the abstract. There is no reason whatsoever to conclude that this wouldn’t apply versus sub-lineages of Omicron as well. Pretty damning.
I imagine the thread has died down largely because most pandemic restrictions have been lifted as we've apparently reached an endemic stage with socially acceptable community health risks.
Anti-vaxxism never made much sense on a rational technical level, rather is mostly push back against being inconvenienced by public health policy. It's just more socially acceptable to "question the science" than to admit to pathological selfishness.
Again, read the paper. For those of you playing at home, especially pay attention to the results and conclusions in the abstract. There is no reason whatsoever to conclude that this wouldn’t apply versus sub-lineages of Omicron as well. Pretty damning.
The effectiveness of previous infection alone against symptomatic BA.2 infection was 46.1% (95% confidence interval [CI], 39.5 to 51.9). The effectiveness of vaccination with two doses of BNT162b2 and no previous infection was negligible (−1.1%; 95% CI, −7.1 to 4.6), but nearly all persons had received their second dose more than 6 months earlier. The effectiveness of three doses of BNT162b2 and no previous infection was 52.2% (95% CI, 48.1 to 55.9). The effectiveness of previous infection and two doses of BNT162b2 was 55.1% (95% CI, 50.9 to 58.9), and the effectiveness of previous infection and three doses of BNT162b2 was 77.3% (95% CI, 72.4 to 81.4). Previous infection alone, BNT162b2 vaccination alone, and hybrid immunity all showed strong effectiveness (>70%) against severe, critical, or fatal Covid-19 due to BA.2 infection. Similar results were observed in analyses of effectiveness against BA.1 infection and of vaccination with mRNA-1273.
CONCLUSIONS No discernable differences in protection against symptomatic BA.1 and BA.2 infection were seen with previous infection, vaccination, and hybrid immunity. Vaccination enhanced protection among persons who had had a previous infection. Hybrid immunity resulting from previous infection and recent booster vaccination conferred the strongest protection. (Funded by Weill Cornell Medicine–Qatar and others.)
It's funny this thread has died because the all of anti-vaxxers conspiracy theories have flatten completely flat. The past few months were supposed to be "the proof," but the vaccines continue to be exceptionally effective at stopping people from dying.
I imagine the thread has died down largely because most pandemic restrictions have been lifted as we've apparently reached an endemic stage with socially acceptable community health risks.
That's probably a large part of it. Seeing these Democratic-induced vaccine mandates disappear is a major victory for the anti-vaxx/pro-choice/informed consent advocacy groups. Seeing these progressive mayors from the cities of NYC, Boston, Chicago, Seattle, SF, LA, etc, have to rescind their tyrannical mandates is a sweet, sweet victory. And all that taxpayers money that was used to developed & implemented that high-tech "Key to NYC" vaccine passport only to be sh*t-canned by incoming Mayor Adams. Lol.
I relish in comfort & satisfaction knowing how infuriating & distressing this must be to 2600 kid & Dr. Harambe. Lol.
And it even gets better: Draconian vaccine mandates bills introduced by the the California legislature killed before it was even voted on!
It's funny this thread has died because the all of anti-vaxxers conspiracy theories have flatten completely flat. The past few months were supposed to be "the proof," but the vaccines continue to be exceptionally effective at stopping people from dying.
Yeah...right kid - so if us anti-vaxxers/pro-choicers/informed consent advocates don't post for awhile, then the facts of all of the damaging adversed events occurring have fallen completely flat? Conversely, when we do post providing evidence of the plethora of damaging events occurring at an alarming rate, we're accused of presenting anti-vaxx propaganda, e.g, Bigtree doesn't know what he's talking about, Dr. Malone is crazy, Ben Armstrong & The New American site are deemed propaganda by some Liberal funded "fact-checker" site, and so on. Lol
It's pretty much pointless in debating this with you foot soldiers of the industry. Your agenda is simply to promote the gene-therapy drug as "safe & effective" and dismiss & undermine the plethora of side-effects that have occurred since it was introduced. And let's not forgot Biden's Billion dollars $ of taxpayer's dough that was allocated to media outlets to promote the vaccine dismissing & undermining the adverse events. And there's the phony industry-funded studies that you & your mentor keep posting that dismisses natural immunity while promoting an ineffective vaccine, smears IVM, downplays the effectiveness of D3, etc.
The game was rigged from the beginning...no surprises there.
Why are you mad about big pharma making money? That’s the whole point. To make money. What country do you live in? I live in America. We love the moniez.
Dr. Anthony Fauci has not been in recent close contact with President Joe Biden. Fauci is the U.S. government's leader in coronavirus pandemic response.
Nobody, that’s who cares, nobody. As Fisky correctly pointed out, this trial is a red herring and in no way emulates the manner in which the FLCCC has suggested implementing the IVM protocol and nobody is looking emulate it. No trials were conducted looking at it extremely early and when administered with a known RNA polymerase inhibitor in chelated Zinc. Everyone I know who took IVM had an extremely minor case of Covid, and some who take it prophylactically have never acquired Covid. That’s actually a ton of people now.
But, who cares indeed. Interesting that you posted this Vit C study this morning but not the other, far more important study on the front page of the NEJM:
This above posts demonstrates the exact fallacies and faulty reasoning highlighted by the Vitamin C debacle.
At best, small, low-rigor trials can justify the expense of large trials, but we need to be ready to reject any appealing hypotheses when the data comes in. To do otherwise is dogmatic and anti-science.
Again, read the paper. For those of you playing at home, especially pay attention to the results and conclusions in the abstract. There is no reason whatsoever to conclude that this wouldn’t apply versus sub-lineages of Omicron as well. Pretty damning.
The effectiveness of previous infection alone against symptomatic BA.2 infection was 46.1% (95% confidence interval [CI], 39.5 to 51.9). The effectiveness of vaccination with two doses of BNT162b2 and no previous infection was negligible (−1.1%; 95% CI, −7.1 to 4.6), but nearly all persons had received their second dose more than 6 months earlier. The effectiveness of three doses of BNT162b2 and no previous infection was 52.2% (95% CI, 48.1 to 55.9). The effectiveness of previous infection and two doses of BNT162b2 was 55.1% (95% CI, 50.9 to 58.9), and the effectiveness of previous infection and three doses of BNT162b2 was 77.3% (95% CI, 72.4 to 81.4). Previous infection alone, BNT162b2 vaccination alone, and hybrid immunity all showed strong effectiveness (>70%) against severe, critical, or fatal Covid-19 due to BA.2 infection. Similar results were observed in analyses of effectiveness against BA.1 infection and of vaccination with mRNA-1273.
CONCLUSIONS No discernable differences in protection against symptomatic BA.1 and BA.2 infection were seen with previous infection, vaccination, and hybrid immunity. Vaccination enhanced protection among persons who had had a previous infection. Hybrid immunity resulting from previous infection and recent booster vaccination conferred the strongest protection. (Funded by Weill Cornell Medicine–Qatar and others.)
Look at figure 1D. Severe disease from BA.2
Infection alone is inferior
Proves what I've been saying for months. Case closed. Thanks for highlighting this study that
1) Proves the outstanding efficacy of vaccines
2) Show that natural immunity is strictly worse than vaccination and/or hybrid immunity.
Yeah...right kid - so if us anti-vaxxers/pro-choicers/informed consent advocates don't post for awhile, then the facts of all of the damaging adversed events occurring have fallen completely flat? Conversely, when we do post providing evidence of the plethora of damaging events occurring at an alarming rate, we're accused of presenting anti-vaxx propaganda, e.g, Bigtree doesn't know what he's talking about, Dr. Malone is crazy, Ben Armstrong & The New American site are deemed propaganda by some Liberal funded "fact-checker" site, and so on. Lol
It's pretty much pointless in debating this with you foot soldiers of the industry. Your agenda is simply to promote the gene-therapy drug as "safe & effective" and dismiss & undermine the plethora of side-effects that have occurred since it was introduced. And let's not forgot Biden's Billion dollars $ of taxpayer's dough that was allocated to media outlets to promote the vaccine dismissing & undermining the adverse events. And there's the phony industry-funded studies that you & your mentor keep posting that dismisses natural immunity while promoting an ineffective vaccine, smears IVM, downplays the effectiveness of D3, etc.
The game was rigged from the beginning...no surprises there.
Why are you mad about big pharma making money? That’s the whole point. To make money. What country do you live in? I live in America. We love the moniez.
Making money by fraudulent means? Lol. C'mon Ricky don't insult your own intelligence. Btw, I do live in the Divided States of America.
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Why are you mad about big pharma making money? That’s the whole point. To make money. What country do you live in? I live in America. We love the moniez.
Making money by fraudulent means? Lol. C'mon Ricky don't insult your own intelligence. Btw, I do live in the Divided States of America.
You live in a fraudulent country. This country was built on fraud. Of course the pencil neck dorks who know how to make a vaccine made a vaccine and sold it.
