What's the general time range you would need to have for the 1600/mile in order to run sub 9 in the 3200?
What's the general time range you would need to have for the 1600/mile in order to run sub 9 in the 3200?
Sub-4:20 minimum, hopefully should be capable of sub-4:10 though. Any faster and you should smash it if you're any good at the 3200.
Yerszy wrote:
What's the general time range you would need to have for the 1600/mile in order to run sub 9 in the 3200?
4:15 at least
Yerszy wrote:
What's the general time range you would need to have for the 1600/mile in order to run sub 9 in the 3200?
4:10-4:15
Depends on what type of 3200m runner you are.
Michael Stember ran 1:49-4:04 and couldn't crack 9:05. Louis Quintana ran 1:50-4:07 and also couldn't dip under 9:05.
I've seen a sub-9 from 1:55-4:16 guy Braden King.
4:15 is the average.
For an endurance oriented runner, I’d say 4:15-4:18.
Two examples:
Seth Hirsch ran 8:54 & 4:14
Finn Gessner ran 9:01 & 4:16, then 8:47 & 4:13
Have a look at the last spring's Arcadia 3200m Invitational section.
Of the 15 California boys who broke 9:00, the <4:15 outliers were:
Daniel Appleford (4:15.51 PR)
Braden King (4:16.93 PR)
Daniel Winter (4:17.03 PR)
Bryce Gilmore (4:18.60)
Alex Mader (4:21.75 PR)
After looking at national ranking, it is closer to 4:10 than I realized. I was going off of college conversions which are for more trained athletes.
Pesos and penne wrote:
Have a look at the last spring's Arcadia 3200m Invitational section.
Of the 15 California boys who broke 9:00, the <4:15 outliers were:
Daniel Appleford (4:15.51 PR)
Braden King (4:16.93 PR)
Daniel Winter (4:17.03 PR)
Bryce Gilmore (4:18.60)
Alex Mader (4:21.75 PR)
A lot 2-mile specialists run only that distance in invitationals, section meets and state. Mile PRs can from dual meets and can be soft compared to their 2-mile PRs. Jeff Nelson's fastest outdoor mile during his senior was a slower pace than his HS record 2-mile.
I would say around 4:10. I’m pretty sure someone in CA keeps lists of kids that have gone sub
1:52 800
4:10 Mile
9:00 2 mile
Those seem to be the classic elite barriers for really talented kids.
unboostedrunner wrote:
I would say around 4:10. I’m pretty sure someone in CA keeps lists of kids that have gone sub
1:52 800
4:10 Mile
9:00 2 mile
Those seem to be the classic elite barriers for really talented kids.
If a HS runner had those PRs, he wouldn't be comparatively as good in XC.
unboostedrunner wrote:
I would say around 4:10. I’m pretty sure someone in CA keeps lists of kids that have gone sub
1:52 800
4:10 Mile
9:00 2 mile
Those seem to be the classic elite barriers for really talented kids.
While 4:10-12 might be the norm, a real slow twitch runner at that speed is probably 12-15 seconds slower per mile, so some can do it with the ability to run 4:15-4:18.
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unboostedrunner wrote:
I would say around 4:10. I’m pretty sure someone in CA keeps lists of kids that have gone sub
1:52 800
4:10 Mile
9:00 2 mile
Those seem to be the classic elite barriers for really talented kids.
Yes those are about as equal times as you can find for high schoolers. In college and professional running, 1:52 is significantly better than 4:10 and 4:10 is a bit better than 8:20, but for high schoolers those conversions work pretty much perfectly. College has nice numbers of 1:50, 3:45, and 14:00 that work out pretty well for them.
Sub-9 guy wrote:
unboostedrunner wrote:
I would say around 4:10. I’m pretty sure someone in CA keeps lists of kids that have gone sub
1:52 800
4:10 Mile
9:00 2 mile
Those seem to be the classic elite barriers for really talented kids.
While 4:10-12 might be the norm, a real slow twitch runner at that speed is probably 12-15 seconds slower per mile, so some can do it with the ability to run 4:15-4:18.
You won't find a single HS runner with a PR of 4:05 or faster, that managed anywhere close to 12 seconds.
Yerszy wrote:
What's the general time range you would need to have for the 1600/mile in order to run sub 9 in the 3200?
Our top boy ran 8:57 and 4:19 last year as a junior. He probably did not give a full effort in the 1600, but I don’t think he would have been able to break 4:15. It will be interesting to see if he really tries to run an all out 1600/mile this spring. I think he’ll be able to manage sub 8:50, but I’ll be surprised if he can break 4:10.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Pesos and penne wrote:
Have a look at the last spring's Arcadia 3200m Invitational section.
Of the 15 California boys who broke 9:00, the <4:15 outliers were:
Daniel Appleford (4:15.51 PR)
Braden King (4:16.93 PR)
Daniel Winter (4:17.03 PR)
Bryce Gilmore (4:18.60)
Alex Mader (4:21.75 PR)
A lot 2-mile specialists run only that distance in invitationals, section meets and state. Mile PRs can from dual meets and can be soft compared to their 2-mile PRs. Jeff Nelson's fastest outdoor mile during his senior was a slower pace than his HS record 2-mile.
You are absolutely correct. Those prs are inaccurate first off. I know some of those runners have gone faster, and I know they don’t bother racing the 1600 often or at full effort or in a competitive setting.
Not close? Guys like Slagowski ran 48 in the open 400. No way you can do that with a 13 second 100. You blew it again.
Ncaa ruler wrote:
Not close? Guys like Slagowski ran 48 in the open 400. No way you can do that with a 13 second 100. You blew it again.
Your example proves my point. Slagowski is on the fast-twitch side of the mile and although it's obviously soft, his 2-mile PR was 9:15