appropriate firearm for longer runs

Second the Bear Spray or a Bear Banger. I wouldn't recommend anyone with no training carry a firearm. More likely to shoot themselves.

joed|rt wrote:

Second the Bear Spray or a Bear Banger. I wouldn't recommend anyone with no training carry a firearm. More likely to shoot themselves.

I recommend that most citizens get firearm training.

IF this is a legit post, I'm not surprised, given the state of the country at this time.

Take that as you will.

Charles Bukowski wrote:

joed|rt wrote:

Second the Bear Spray or a Bear Banger. I wouldn't recommend anyone with no training carry a firearm. More likely to shoot themselves.

I recommend that most citizens get firearm training.

Yep. As far as running in an urban environment, there is no need for a gun. The only personal protection you should need is a cellphone. So long as you are a halfway decent runner, the odds of being a victim of a random crime are infinitesimally small (criminals are generally lazy and slow). The only place in the world I have ever carried any form of personal protection on a run was Alaska. Coastal Brown Bears were all over the place.

Yawn^10 wrote:

Can’t believe people are recommending such low caliber guns. If animals are truly the threat you fear on a run then you should be running with a pretty darn big gun.

I agree with most of the others on here; there is no need for the gun while running. I carry when I go out in public because man is more dangerous then bear. I don’t carry on runs.

I think you are confusing "hunting and killing" with defending and deterring. Two totally different things.

Quick research (a) (who knows if it's 100% accurate) but average California Black bear weight is 190 pounds for a male and 128 pounds for females. I don't know where this misconception comes from, but people seem to think that black bears are 5,000 pounds, 20 feet long and made of Kevlar and concrete.

Little thought experiment for you: If an average black bear where chained to a tree and you shot it with a 9mm pistol at a range of 5 feet, that bear is going to notice it, to say the least. It could be a kill shot depending on where you shoot, and it most certainly is going to think twice about it's options of pursuit vs. retreat. Even if you missed, pistols are loud as f#ck. Look, some humans in some situations aren't necessarily "stopped" by a 9mm round. But, with that said, let me shoot you and then tell us about your experience (I'm speaking hypothetically of course).

With all that said, you don't need a gun for a trail run. Probability of needing it is close to zero.

(a) Lariviere, S. (2001). "Ursus americanus". Mammalian Species. 647: 1–11. doi:10.1644/1545-1410(2001)647<0001:UA>2.0.CO;2.

The longer the run, the longer the gun. A gun compensates for a small-peniled one.

randomist wrote:

The longer the run, the longer the gun. A gun compensates for a small-peniled one.

Im sure your boyfriend will protect you as you hide under the sheets.

fisky wrote:

Just to amend my previous post, I'd recommend the Ruger LCP and not the LCP II. The LCP II has a lighter trigger pull. The longer, harder pull of the LCP would be safer to carry while running since the gun probably won't be inside a holster. It'll be inside a stretching waist running belt in the iPhone pocket.

I would not recommend a Glock to a novice. The trigger pull is too light and could catch on keys or a gel pack as you're drawing the weapon. Glocks should only be carried in holsters that cover the trigger.

The Kel-Tecs are finicky. I've had the P32 and one of my EDCs is the Kel-Tec P3AT (380 Auto). They are prone to jamming until you learn the proper grip.

Other guns to consider are the Kahr PM9, Sig Sauer P938, P365, and the Taurus G2c.

Everyone thanks especially Frisky thanks for the detailed recommendations. The Ruger LCP looks good and I like that I can get it in various colors to coordinate with a running outfit. So you don't think a hip holster is good for a fartlek session? I was thinking it might work for a quick draw if I encounter thugs or an animal while I am sweating and my heart rate is elevated to around 140 bpm. I usually wear split shorts so I think you are right a chest holster would be great. I am also concerned about encountering other runners with guns as we might have an altercation involving a standoff or a shootout. Thanks again.

bfef wrote:

I am also concerned about encountering other runners with guns as we might have an altercation involving a standoff or a shootout. Thanks again.

If you aren't prepared to duel another runner/pistoleer, you shouldn't carry.

You had better be ready to slap leather...see you on the trails.

as a matter of fact wrote:

Here's a thread I started 2 years ago on this topic. It should have won thread of the year IMHO.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9497676

Thanks this is a great reference

I had a G42 but didn't like the muzzle flip!

Pepper spray would be useful and most criminals are fat and out of shape, or even if they are muscular, wouldn't have the aerobic ability to chase you for long distances. Guns would be too much of a liability but pepper spray will think 99% of people think twice. Get that stuff in your eyes and you are incapacitated.

There was story in Columbus about a purse snatcher who had a heart attack after two good guys, former distance runners, chased him and he gave up.

Having distance speed/endurance is useful against thugs.

I will say even a .22 LR rimfire pistol like the SR22 is better than nothing. If you see a perp and he is coming after you but you have the .22 LR that might not be perfect but if you can get a good knee shot or something that causes tumble velocity it will be *good enough*.

You don't need to kill, you need to just stop the target.

People underestimate the .22 LR.

Also, in terms of running fast--having that speed helped DeNiro track the criminals in the movie HEAT, after the bank robbery. He did enough to keep up running and keeping them in sight.

M67 fragmentation grenade. Less than 1 pound and always gets the job done.

im sorry, this was a serious thread?

us is screwed

pupil3142 wrote:

im sorry, this was a serious thread?

us is screwed

For sure. Leave now! Please!!

jecht wrote:

I will say even a .22 LR rimfire pistol like the SR22 is better than nothing. If you see a perp and he is coming after you but you have the .22 LR that might not be perfect but if you can get a good knee shot or something that causes tumble velocity it will be *good enough*.

You don't need to kill, you need to just stop the target.

People underestimate the .22 LR.

Also, in terms of running fast--having that speed helped DeNiro track the criminals in the movie HEAT, after the bank robbery. He did enough to keep up running and keeping them in sight.

^ no firearm training is evident

I get what you are saying, but I don’t believe in warning shots. If a gun is going to be carried, then the owner needs to shoot to kill.

Also, Even though black bears are smaller then other species, I still wouldn’t bet on a 9mm stopping it easily.