Kandies marathon has opened my eyes about the distance

Hopefully this is just a rough transition and he doesn’t end up not being able to figure it out like Tadese.

Tyler cameron wrote:

Theoretically it would seem someone who can run a 57 minute half Mary should Easily be able to split say a 63-63 in the marathon.

I guess there is nothing that can prepare you for those last 6 miles.

No, you are comparing too different courses. He ran a flat course for a half marathon world record, probably it used to the up and down of bridges in New York. You need to learn to change your stride up and down, don’t think he was learn that yet.

Tyler cameron wrote:

Theoretically it would seem someone who can run a 57 minute half Mary should Easily be able to split say a 63-63 in the marathon.

I guess there is nothing that can prepare you for those last 6 miles.

Very interesting thread. It seems like after Valencia many are set to hand Gidey the marathon record and assume she will win multiple majors. Maybe not so fast…..

Gidey will 1000% percent smash the Marathon wr bc she already has the #1 and #2 womens running performances of all time at just 23 years old.

Tyler cameron wrote:

Theoretically it would seem someone who can run a 57 minute half Mary should Easily be able to split say a 63-63 in the marathon.

I guess there is nothing that can prepare you for those last 6 miles.

So misguided to extrapolate ability at shorter distances to the marathon. It doesn't always work out that way. But Kandie's a learner and will take notes from this experience and use it to improve. Just like he did after he'd lost the world marathon championships to Jacob Kiplimo.

Should have run his 1st one on a flat course.

It is baptism by fire. It is the best way perhaps. Just jump to the deep end.

Cheptoo debuted and did tremendously well. It probably affects different people differently.

Both Bekele and Kandie were at NYC for a pay day and a workout only.

The goal was least effort expended for maximum financial gain.

Don't think you can make any assessments about either from this.

Bekele very likely has a world best in him (as in 2019) but it wont be anywhere other than Berlin.

Kandie will fair much better when the pace group is quicker from the gun and the field is more competitive.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Gidey will 1000% percent smash the Marathon wr bc she already has the #1 and #2 womens running performances of all time at just 23 years old.

Extrapolate to 42.2 from the 10K and the 1/2 marathon at your own peril. We just saw it’s not necessarily a straight line. Maybe Gidey will do it, but maybe not. Bolt was not the world’s best 400 m runner.

Wise Old Man wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

Gidey will 1000% percent smash the Marathon wr bc she already has the #1 and #2 womens running performances of all time at just 23 years old.

Extrapolate to 42.2 from the 10K and the 1/2 marathon at your own peril. We just saw it’s not necessarily a straight line. Maybe Gidey will do it, but maybe not. Bolt was not the world’s best 400 m runner.

Exactly! And also questions about longevity. Ayana, who to me has similar mechanics to Gidey is MIA.

I know it was mentioned he was injured this year, we'll probably never know the full impact of that on the race.

We'll see wrote:

I know it was mentioned he was injured this year, we'll probably never know the full impact of that on the race.

QFE. Kandie was not healthy during his build-up.

QFE. Kandie was not healthy during his build-up.[/quote]

Runners like Kandie who are very fast from 10k to 1/2 get over raced by their managers and agents because there is decent money at the big halfs and shorter road races. Kandie ran a 26:51 10k on the road a little over a month before NY. In 2020, he ran 4 halfs with three under 59 and the WR of 57:32. If his managers were serious about making him into a top marathoner, they would not be running him at a 10k road race one month before a marathon major debut. Hopefully, he will have a chance to get in a solid training cycle and then take a shot at a fast marathon in London.

Gidey is so much more powerfully built than Ayana. When I watched Ayana run, the first thing in my mind was EPO. When I see Gidey run I am wowed at her fluidity and effortless power.

hillybilly wrote:

Gidey is so much more powerfully built than Ayana. When I watched Ayana run, the first thing in my mind was EPO. When I see Gidey run I am wowed at her fluidity and effortless power.

Effortless power comes from EPO too. Remember that "dude" doing push-ups after winning a half marathon?

Precious Roy wrote:

Hopefully, he will have a chance to get in a solid training cycle and then take a shot at a fast marathon in London.

Yeah I tend to think that trying to manage an injury like he had might be OK in the buildup but was a very dubious prospect in a race like NYC. I'm assuming he got a huge amount of cash for this, but let's see him healthy the next spring and it could be a totally different story.

All NYC this year has done, is assure that London and Berlin will have even larger fields in the future (Valencia, too).

NYC and Boston will be even more of an oddity, or an outlet for US runners who still think 2:12 is awesome.

By the way, True believers, if True's 2:12 is "worth" a 2:08 at Berlin, you can confirm that Salazar's 2:08 was a 2:04, right?

Rule of thumb forever has been NYC is about 2 mins slower not 4 mins slower than a really fast course. Condition were ideal yesterday, so no excuses on that front.

If I were picking a WMM in trouble I wouldn't go Boston/NYC, I'd probably look at Chicago.

Kandie messed a up a key fluid station late in the race, really screwed him. Couldn't hold his pace without fuel