B.A.A. won't allow Boston GoPro footage to be posted on YouTube

Typical for the BAA.

https://www.universalhub.com/2010/marathon-lawsuit-baa-sues-online-t-shirt-sellers-o

DanM wrote:

Typical for the BAA.

https://www.universalhub.com/2010/marathon-lawsuit-baa-sues-online-t-shirt-sellers-o

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Not sure how this is different than an NFL player wearing a GoPro during a game and posting it to his own monetized YouTube channel... It doesn't and won't happen.

It's an event that BAA puts on, where they have contracts, and the athlete participants sign agreements. It seems pretty straightforward...

brien evans wrote:

It's an event that BAA puts on, where they have contracts, and the athlete participants sign agreements. It seems pretty straightforward...

^^THIS^^

brien evans wrote:

Not sure how this is different than an NFL player wearing a GoPro during a game and posting it to his own monetized YouTube channel... It doesn't and won't happen.

It's an event that BAA puts on, where they have contracts, and the athlete participants sign agreements. It seems pretty straightforward...

but what about my freedoms

>>THIS<< is not straightforward at all, unless satirical commentary on the "seriousness" of the holy Boston Marathon is clearly understood to be a violation of the BAA's News Access Guidelines. Had the Serious Runner donned a Lasse Viren costume and quipped in Finnish, would he have received the same scolding? Should similar threats prompt the removal of the video below, I will anxiously await a volcanic Rojo rant on the matter...and perhaps a sober, pacifying BAA legal defense from his associates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00cAE_BykJU

brien evans wrote:

Not sure how this is different than an NFL player wearing a GoPro during a game and posting it to his own monetized YouTube channel... It doesn't and won't happen.

It's an event that BAA puts on, where they have contracts, and the athlete participants sign agreements. It seems pretty straightforward...

What are you on about? The guy did not show or discuss any of the elite runners, which is who people who watch the Boston Marathon on TV or whatever care about. An NFL player can't do that because he'll be showing the whole game itself with all the players, thus competing with official media broadcasts. It's more like this: a random guy talking and filming himself while in the venue that the NFL league was once played in. Not to mention, he stated that he turned off monetization on the original video beforehand "just in case".

I guess if you bandit the race then you're good to go.

The YouTuber probably could tell the BAA to F off and they couldn’t do anything about the video. Are people not allowed to record a public road? They weren’t reposting a baa broadcast. Insane an organization would be so egotistical that they believe they could tell someone they aren’t allowed to record public roads paid for by tax payers. The BAA can stfu

briswiss wrote:

The YouTuber probably could tell the BAA to F off and they couldn’t do anything about the video. Are people not allowed to record a public road? They weren’t reposting a baa broadcast. Insane an organization would be so egotistical that they believe they could tell someone they aren’t allowed to record public roads paid for by tax payers. The BAA can stfu

This is correct. It's well established that you can't own copyright in an event. You can own copyright in a particular recording (i.e., NBC's broadcast of the Boston Marathon), but this runner is the rightful owner of the copyright in his own GoPro video.

Now, the BAA supposedly does include language in its contract that prevents participants from doing this, but that doesn't give the BAA the right to make demands of third parties (Youtube). The BAA could theoretically sue the guy or get him banned from future BAA events. A lawsuit would be bad news for the BAA, though. Even if it's clear that the guy violated the contract, the BAA would look terrible, and the BAA would have to show that it's been harmed to get a remedy.

This is so dumb, the youtubers filming their experience only promote the race more. I was just watching youtubes of my upcoming race to get a sense of the course and the crowds and getting excited for it...its free advertising.

It's intimidation on the part of BAA. They probably have a legal team to search out, identify, and target this sort of thing. It doesn't surprise me in the least, I've never thought of BAA as "good guys" (hello, woman-assaulting Jock Semple and then the snobbish reluctance to offer prize money), they just happen to own a beloved race. Full disclosure, I like Gnoza and the content he creates and shares on his channel. Glad I got to watch his Boston vid before the coerced takedown, though honestly it was far from his best work from a technical standpoint. Sorry it came to that and I agree that these videos should be considered free advertising for the Boston Marathon yet I know their legal team doesn't have the resources to go judging all of this sort of thing on its merits. It seems like Gnoza gets it, it doesn't benefit him or probably anyone else to fight city hall on this.

briswiss wrote:

The YouTuber probably could tell the BAA to F off and they couldn’t do anything about the video. Are people not allowed to record a public road? They weren’t reposting a baa broadcast. Insane an organization would be so egotistical that they believe they could tell someone they aren’t allowed to record public roads paid for by tax payers. The BAA can stfu

My guess is YouTube would take the video down anyway if the BAA went to them. The guy could probably win in court if he took it that far, but it wouldn't be worth a timely and costly legal battle.

Dumb move by the BAA, his video only promotes the event, and the takedown is just bad press.

On a day in June, let's say I decide to walk the Boston Marathon course in 10 hours. I video every step of the way. Will the BAA threaten me by claiming that the course is copyrighted year round ?

Can we get this guy a lawyer? Brojos?

This is a fairly typical IP approach with the logic being that it is a slippery slope and you need to throw rocks and sand all over it. If you let a youtuber post his race video, next thing will be people livestreaming the race and taking viewers away from the official broadcast. Bad ratings for the broadcast would spook sponsors. And so on.

Of course, it is a tone deaf move because BAA look like jerks for picking on some inconsequential youtuber. And that can spook sponsors and so on.

brien evans wrote:

Not sure how this is different than an NFL player wearing a GoPro during a game and posting it to his own monetized YouTube channel... It doesn't and won't happen.

It's an event that BAA puts on, where they have contracts, and the athlete participants sign agreements. It seems pretty straightforward...

How would this be different? Uhhhh. Let me thing for a second.

Oh, you're not actually on the field playing in an NFL game.

Precious Roy wrote:

This is a fairly typical IP approach with the logic being that it is a slippery slope and you need to throw rocks and sand all over it. If you let a youtuber post his race video, next thing will be people livestreaming the race and taking viewers away from the official broadcast. Bad ratings for the broadcast would spook sponsors. And so on.

Of course, it is a tone deaf move because BAA look like jerks for picking on some inconsequential youtuber. And that can spook sponsors and so on.

Bad TV ratings? So you'd go from a .00001 to a point .000001? Seriously, an amateur runner with a GoPro on his head is not going to take away from TV coverage, at all. Hell, even if every single non-elite did this, it wouldn't take away from the TV coverage.

Maybe..just maybe....BAA should be open to ideas of how to improve the broadcast. Hell, you can watch 100+ straight miles of coverage of UTMB online and it's a better experience/video/stream than anything NBC seems to be able to put together at Boston...and that race is held in the mountains in France, not on the roads in/around a major city in the US.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Maybe..just maybe....BAA should be open to ideas of how to improve the broadcast.

That's difficult. How many times can you talk about somebody's home town in Ethiopia or that the woman currently in 3rd place finished 14th two years ago ?