Can a 5 minute + 1600 PR run a sub 17 minute 5K
Can a 5 minute + 1600 PR run a sub 17 minute 5K
Sure maybe 5:05 PR with a stronger distance background could be near 16:50-17:00
No, in my opinion, it usually takes a 4:50 to correlate to a sub 17:00
Very doubtful.
5:00 lines up very well with an 11:00 3200. That alone is slower than 17:00 pace.
I see very few kids that are 5:00+ but can go under 10:50 for 3200.
coachedup wrote:
No, in my opinion, it usually takes a 4:50 to correlate to a sub 17:00
I was faster than 4:50, but barely missed sub 17:00. I guess my aerobic capacity was not as good as it could have been. Actually, it was my race strategy. My coach always told us to go out hard in XC, and I hit the wall every time. Didn't know better until I was older.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Very doubtful.
5:00 lines up very well with an 11:00 3200. That alone is slower than 17:00 pace.
I see very few kids that are 5:00+ but can go under 10:50 for 3200.
I was that kid until my senior year of HS. 5:07 and 10:37
55YO wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Very doubtful.
5:00 lines up very well with an 11:00 3200. That alone is slower than 17:00 pace.
I see very few kids that are 5:00+ but can go under 10:50 for 3200.
I was that kid until my senior year of HS. 5:07 and 10:37
I had a kid go 10:12 without ever having broken 5:00 in the open 1600, he opened in 2:30 and closed in 2:29 in that race.
It probably didn’t hurt that he’d been at 7000 feet on his family ranch in Mexico for 5 weeks prior to returning for the last two meets, though.
In general, high schoolers will have a very tough time with 17:00 if they haven’t broken 5:00. Adults who came to running later and just sort of grind out fast runs every day because they don’t “know any better” are far more likely to run sub 17:00 without ever having broken 5:00.
Of course, you also have to look at it from the perspective of racing opportunities. My 10:12 guy never raced the 1600 after returning from altitude, most adults never get the opportunity to get into a good mile. Most high school milers never get the opportunity to race 5k on the track during the same season.
oldtimerunner wrote:
Can a 5 minute + 1600 PR run a sub 17 minute 5K
Yes, but much more likely to be an older runner than a high school kid.
as read on Letsrun wrote:
oldtimerunner wrote:
Can a 5 minute + 1600 PR run a sub 17 minute 5K
Yes, but much more likely to be an older runner than a high school kid.
it is really about mileage. Run 45-50mpw and this is pretty normal for HS kids to do. We had a lot of 450-510 milers and we were all running 16:10-1730 5ks (or 10:10-10:50 3200). the freshman who were running more like 35mpw had a much bigger gaps.
oldtimerunner wrote:
Can a 5 minute + 1600 PR run a sub 17 minute 5K
17 min 5K is 5:28 mile pace. A 5’05” 1600 is 5’07” mile pace. Having a 5K pace that is 20-25 seconds slower than mile pace is not uncommon at those pace regimes, so the math says you can. It’s not going to be easy however as it is right around a 10% pace slowdown, and even elites have ~10% pace slowdown going from a mile to 5K, so you are pushing the limit there. Or you need to be especially well trained for 5K compared to lower middle distances.