Alec Baldwin just shot and KILLED a woman on a movie set

Flagpole wrote:

rgw wrote:

You are a disgusting hypocrite.

Of course this was an accident and giving Baldwin any grief is wrong.

But you are the moron who insulted a recently deceased mother because she was unvaccinated. You showed zero humanity.

You are a hypocrite.

THAT woman not only didn't protect herself and her family (she was HUGELY irresponsible here because she had two small special needs children who needed her to be alive), but she also preached to others not to get vaccinated. ALSO, I am SO SAD that she died. I wish she hadn't. That doesn't negate the fact that she was a MORON for not protecting herself and her family.

Don't pretend to know the family situation , because you read something online . You dont know why she didnt vaccinate . You are the moron , as is killer Alex Baldwin. Another loud mouth , turned killer .

The "Prop Union" is reporting that the gun contained a live round so it wasn't a blank.

Baldwin is an insufferable Hamptons liberal with anger issues whose own daughter unceremoniously leaked his outrage to the world. I am sure that there is footage of whatever he was doing when he pulled the trigger. I hope he was not angry about something and pretended to shoot the director and cinematographer. That would take years of therapy to recover from unless you are not a sociopath. Even if it was in the middle of a scene, he will struggle to come to grips with this tragedy. I know there was quite a lot of fallout from Brandon Lee's tragic accident and it is surprising that those lessons may have been lost in the intervening decades. I will be listening intently the next time he comes on the Howard Stern Show although Howard failed to bring up the Hilaria cultural appropriation issue the last time he was on.

John Landis took years to recover from the accident that killed Vic Morrow and had to relive it through a civil lawsuit by the victims. That also might be the ultimate resolution to this situation as well as Baldwin;s pockets might be deeper than the production company's..

uhh liberal murderer kills an innocent woman. very sorry for her and her family. hopes he ends in prison for life.

As an individual handling the gun, he's got little exposure.

As a producer of the movie he may have significant exposure, particularly civilly, if the proper company(s) were not hired to perform the duties that the union normally does. It seems as if this could be the case.

That's where his real legal problem may be. As an actor, handling the gun, it's an accident with no legal concern.

fada tyme wrote:

jamb innn wrote:

This isnt true at all. There shouldnt be a "handler" checking it. You, personally, need to check it and secure the weapon. Just because someone told you isnt loaded you still need to take that step. You also personally need to control the muzzle and be positively aiming downrange.

Definite negligence here. Interested to see what he is charged with.

As an individual handling the gun, he's got little exposure.

As a producer of the movie he may have significant exposure, particularly civilly, if the proper company(s) were not hired to perform the duties that the union normally does. It seems as if this could be the case.

That's where his real legal problem may be. As an actor, handling the gun, it's an accident with no legal concern.

Actors in the guild have to sign off on safety procedures , then they are responsible for these procedures. Opening and inspecting the chamber is one of the basics . the person handing off the murder weapon , and the killer who fired the shots , should have inspected the murder weapon.

If there was a legitimate live round in the gun, it'll be interesting to see how the investigation goes and potentially court and trial.

I think its fairly well known in the gun ownership world that if you have a gun in your hand, and a bullet leaves the muzzle, you are responsible for what it hits. So is it on the prop armorer, or Alec Baldwin? Argue that it's not the actor's JOB, but he is the one holding and pulling the trigger of a real handgun. Lots of pointing fingers to come about.

You know how you don't have pointing fingers? Leave it up to the actors to be trained about firearm safety. Also how do we not have enough CGI and computer effects to use firearms without firing pins.

The damages in a civil suit will outstrip the insurance coverage almost certainly. It seems to be that Baldwin is in double jeopardy as the shooter and producer. That Hampton's place may end up on the auction block someday. Landis had to relive the moment over and over in the courtroom. But looking at his career since though, he was able to get back into the swing of things as a director.

There are many ways a "prop" gun can hurt people. While airsoft or other non firing replicas are often used on a movie set it is not uncommon for close-ups or for period pieces (like a western) to use real guns that are loaded with "blanks." Blanks are real ammunition that have a primer and gunpowder as well as a shell but do not have a bullet. Blanks are what are used in starter's pistols which used to be the norm at every track meet from high school to the olympics until advances in electric starting and timing equipment.

Assuming it was a real gun that was loaded with blanks there are several potential ways an accident could happen. One is a misfire where the explosion of the blank actually damages the gun and sends shrapnel flying. This can happen with guns loaded with real bullets too where the force of the exploding gun powder can break the actual gun. If it's an older gun the steel can have integrity issues and while it might look okay from the outside it might actually be strained to the point that even firing a blank can cause it to fly apart. This can be exacerbated if the gun wasn't loaded properly or the blank wasn't made correctly or had a defect

There could have been some time of foreign object in the gun, anything in the barrel or even chamber could be forced out at high velocity form the force of the blank explosion.

In the case of Brandon Lee someone had loaded the prop gun with a real bullet which is what led to his death. As a result of his death there were new protocols put in place on movie sets so the likelihood of this happening should be rare but it is a possibility.

Blanks can kill in other ways such if you put it against someone's temple the force of the escaping gas could fracture a human skull but that would be unlikely b/c the safety issues are well known and also it wouldn't explain how two people were injured.

Not knowing the details my guess is it was a real gun that was loaded with a blank that some how malfunctioned. Older guns sometimes would need custom fabricated ammunition and so there's any number of ways the integrity of the blank or gun could come into play. I assume we'll learn more in the coming days.

I'm also assuming that if Baldwin were acting in a reckless way i.e. pointing the gun and pulling the trigger at people outside of the shooting of a scene or rehearsal that we'd be hearing rumors from various staff that was on set.

It seems like a tragedy all around and perhaps will lead to better safety protocols on movie sets.

Flagpole wrote:

From the 90s wrote:

The irony is how liberal Hollywood preaches anti gun yet their movies are filled with gun violence. Guns used safely to hunt and protect oneself are appropriate. However they rarely portray this responsible use of them. Looks like Baldwin’s chickens have come home too roost.

What crap. Guns and violence are part of story telling. You can be 100% against owning most or even all guns and still make a movie that involves guns. Giving Baldwin any grief here is so unkind to say the least. Until we hear otherwise, this appears to have been a tragic accident, and he was reportedly in tears and grief-stricken. Have some humanity.

The authorities have the murder weapon in there possession now and Baldwin meeting with legal team. via TMZ

18rabbitskiing wrote:

Not knowing the details my guess is it was a real gun that was loaded with a blank that some how malfunctioned. Older guns sometimes would need custom fabricated ammunition and so there's any number of ways the integrity of the blank or gun could come into play. I assume we'll learn more in the coming days.

Fox News reported an hour ago that the Prop Union (I assume that's a union of prop managers?) had issued a statement that it was a live round.

fisky wrote:

The "Prop Union" is reporting that the gun contained a live round so it wasn't a blank.

He shot two people, no?

The Unkle wrote:

fisky wrote:

The "Prop Union" is reporting that the gun contained a live round so it wasn't a blank.

He shot two people, no?

Apparently, one round went through the woman and then hit the man. I'm just relaying what I read.

I doubt there was only one shot. Apparently the woman was hit in her stomach while the man was hit in the shoulder. That makes for a pretty akward angle if it's only one shot.

LilBitConfused wrote:

I doubt there was only one shot. Apparently the woman was hit in her stomach while the man was hit in the shoulder. That makes for a pretty akward angle if it's only one shot.

Do you think perhaps there were two shooters?

fisky wrote:

18rabbitskiing wrote:

Not knowing the details my guess is it was a real gun that was loaded with a blank that some how malfunctioned. Older guns sometimes would need custom fabricated ammunition and so there's any number of ways the integrity of the blank or gun could come into play. I assume we'll learn more in the coming days.

Fox News reported an hour ago that the Prop Union (I assume that's a union of prop managers?) had issued a statement that it was a live round.

Lol "prop union".

The purple haired they/them in charge of managing the bongs, dildos and other videography knickknacks is also in charge of loading the gun. Nice process they have defined there.

OSHA will probably investigate