Is it time for Jordan Hasay to hang it up? Hasay 2:41:43, Flanagan 2:40:34.

Shalane beat her by a minute.

You know, maybe one last thing to try is to go back to her HS coach. She was not overtrained and had tremendous success with his program.

I wonder if she's not suited for altitude - hasn't she been in Boulder these last several months? Could be impacting her recovery. Regardless, I really wish her the best. I'm sure this is super tough for her right now.

Maybe Jordan should tell the truth about NOP. She owes it to the sport. God might bless her then.

The worst part of this story is that Pete Julian was surprised, or baffled, by her results in her last race. He said that the results were not indicative of what here workouts were showing. Pete seems to be part of the problem.

I am sure Ms Hasay will read these boards carefully, following todays jog, and find those bits of knowledge she is lacking, and turn her life around for the better. My only hope is that she remembers all us little people, if she ever amounts to anything again, and tells us what we said that matters.

Ite ad Joseph wrote:

The worst part of this story is that Pete Julian was surprised, or baffled, by her results in her last race. He said that the results were not indicative of what here workouts were showing. Pete seems to be part of the problem.

So they're either lying about the workouts or she has a sort of mental block.

I had a mental block one season because I had unrealistic expectations for myself and would quickly get in my head and basically defeat myself when things didn't go perfect and I under performed in every 5k race by at least 30 seconds compared to what I should have run based on the fitness I had shown in workouts.

I suspect something similar may be effecting Jordan. She peaked young, but still thinks can get back to low 220s so she sets unrealistic goals and gets in her head and underperformed. If she got in a better head space and set more realistic goals I think she could get back to 2:29-2:32 range, but that's all I think she's capable of now.

I don't understand how she can be running so poorly. You'd think she could coach herself faster than what she just ran. She was always a standout talent and now just looks weak and wobbly when she runs. I feel for her.

I don’t think that she should hang it up. She’s a very talented runner that still has a bright future.

Personally, I think she’s over tired and needs to take some down time to reset. At her level, doing that is very difficult. I think finding another hobby for several months ( surfing, OCR, functional fitness, mountain biking) then when she’s ready slowly easing back into the running scene with fun races will allow her to be successful again. But what do I know LOL!?

She broke 2:21. That was not a fluke. You only know what they tell you, always not the truth or not always the full story.

Some people have a harder time figuring it out. 5:43 pace should not be a struggle for her. There's more to it.

Super nice lady, I pray she figures it out as she's surely capable of getting under 2:20.

Personally, I wish her the best as she's had a rough few years both athletically and personally.

It is getting hard to watch how far Hasay has fallen. There has to be more to the story and something that has not been diagnosed, whether physical or mental. NOP haters will say that this is what happens when a NOP athlete no longer gets to take the secret sauce. But if that were the case, Rupp would have fallen apart. He is years older and has a lot more competitive miles on his legs. Yet, Rupp is doing just fine and had a solid race, if not one of the best marathons of his career, yesterday.

The only comparable example of a top US marathoner completely coming unglued like this is Ryan Hall. Maybe Hasay just went too hard at it and has been damaged beyond repair.

Unfortunately she has had a micro focus on her since she was a teen. Much like Mary Slaney . Slaney was much more mentally tough but even with her towards the end of her career started to crack under the extreme pressure from media, fans and competition. Add the internet / social media and you have an elixir for an athletic disaster. Anyone who raced or who is racing this sport, taking a look at Hasay, she just doesn't look healthy. Whoever are her advisor s they need to really read what's going on. She doesn't look well! nobody wants to see her bow out like this.

I am in no way diminishing her talent or her as a person. I wish Jordan nothing but the best in life. I am merely expressing an opinion on her future in athletics.

Another possibility is an undiscovered medical issue. I'm not talking about low serum ferritin. Coaches and athletes know about that, even if most doctors don't. What is she feeling that she can't manage better than 6 min. pace? Could be a tumor, infection, whatever. Something seriously wrong here, might not be burnout.

You know, likely you'll want to show Des some love as well. Though I hear she can bite back be so careful.

All speculation at this point. But after she was injured all of 2018, she mentioned her fitness came along nicely before her 2:25 2019 Boston race. I might be in the minority here, but I do believe she was in AR shape for Chicago 2019 and just had the bad luck of tearing her hamstring. She elected not to have surgery and trained at less than 100% to get back to for the trials, probably based on how well she came back in 2019. I do question if that choice has caused irreparable damage. Her stride has looked pretty bad ever since, and she went from three WMM podiums to 2:38, 2:34 and 2:41. If she had been able to run 2:30 today, I'd believe that we were seeing a slow progression back to form. But to fall from 2:23/2:25 in Boston to 2:41 is pretty big. Not sure what her game plan should be from here, but I hope she is able to figure it out.

iplod wrote:

Another possibility is an undiscovered medical issue. I'm not talking about low serum ferritin. Coaches and athletes know about that, even if most doctors don't. What is she feeling that she can't manage better than 6 min. pace? Could be a tumor, infection, whatever. Something seriously wrong here, might not be burnout.

She apparently indicated in the days before the race she wasn't at her top form. But I suppose there's pressure to get to the start in any case. 2:41 is not just a slight disappointment, it's pretty bad for someone at her level. She's surely looks physically overtrained - but so does Sara Hall and so does Shalane Flanagan. Jeez, I dunno.

RunFarRunFast123 wrote:

I don’t think that she should hang it up. She’s a very talented runner that still has a bright future.

Personally, I think she’s over tired and needs to take some down time to reset. At her level, doing that is very difficult. I think finding another hobby for several months ( surfing, OCR, functional fitness, mountain biking) then when she’s ready slowly easing back into the running scene with fun races will allow her to be successful again. But what do I know LOL!?

If she takes months off, what will she post about? Posting her little running and weight lifting sessions is a huge part of her life and identity. With so much time on her hands, are you suggesting that she get a job and put to use that fine education she received at the UofO?