I disagree with your “all over social media” claim. I have seen no claims on social media. Ben’s own club has also made no mention. Post links.
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I disagree with your “all over social media” claim. I have seen no claims on social media. Ben’s own club has also made no mention. Post links.
Ben hit all the splits so probably alright,parents both obviously cheaters though,come on Derek do your duty.
His running club would hardly mention that without official confirmation of his disqualification or his removal from the results, , but you may see from their social media that they wished him good luck, but did not congratulate him on his “achievement”, which speaks volumes. The club are always congratulatory under normal circumstances, as can be seen from a look at their social media.
The boasting on social media is about his time, which with the greatest of respect is not the fastest, but leaves a sour taste when you see many runners working hard to genuinely achieve similar results.
There are also photos on his social media of a clearly doctored Garmin Connect screenshot showing the time of the supposed run, but with the course Garmin map very badly photoshopped on top of where the normal map would be. Not to mention his calorie burn showing 3008 calories for a 26.29 mile marathon, and his usual burn (on the rare occasions training is posted by him on Facebook), showing 152 calories burned for 3 miles. I have these screenshotted along with the accompanying social media posts (which he has now deleted).
A look at the mats and pace dropping by all members of the family prior to the missing mats, along with a look at the marathon map shows very easily where the course can be cut. The lad has history of cheating too, as those at the front end racing the Buff Winter Trail half marathon 2019 (in another persons number, but photos likely still available) will also testify.
I am sure an examination of the race photos and footage etc will back up the fact they have cheated, and I will be more than happy to return to this post when this happens. I am unsure what links would be relevant aside from the timings page of all 3 entrants at the marathon. He hides all his Garmin training aside from screenshots on FB, and never uses Strava.
What people believe is their choice, but people will make up their own mind from looking at the splits I imagine. The likelihood of 3 members of the same family all having malfunctioning chips (all consecutively and not spaced throughout the race also) also speaks volumes.
Ben missed two splits. Both 25 and 30km. He was clearly slowing not long before too. 15 to 20km was 20:56 pace for instance. I would be sure that photos won’t show him at either of those points.
Lot of fraudulent Boston qualifiers id say that's the most prominent and common one to cheat for. Happens more than you think and only a few get caught but with the technology today of timing mats and photos, it's easy to catch these cheats for anyone doing the due diligence of investigating a race.
Steve The Addict^^^^^^^------- wrote:
Lot of fraudulent Boston qualifiers id say that's the most prominent and common one to cheat for. Happens more than you think and only a few get caught but with the technology today of timing mats and photos, it's easy to catch these cheats for anyone doing the due diligence of investigating a race.
London rather than Boston will be the aim here,scousers are known for being dodgy so looks like another lot of scum caught.
that's really pretty offensive (scouser here). Idiot.
Ben is a good runner based on his past results. His 2:44 at Berlin actually seems week. Have you checked those mats or that area of the course for inconsistencies with other runners times?
He is a good runner for sure, but has no endurance and was struggling in all of his build up races in comparison to when last ran Berlin, going well over 3 hours on that occasion. The fact he was clearly slowing drastically on the mats between 15 and 20k suggest this was going to be slower again. I also have it on very good authority he was struggling massively in training group sessions too.
I have checked the mats with numerous other runners, and have not found any similar issues yes.I really wish I was wrong regarding this as he does have talent, but wont put in the work or mileage to achieve it for real.
Lol, mum and dad are cheaters 100%. Ben most likely also. Nice way to raise your kids
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Lewington wrote:
Lol, mum and dad are cheaters 100%. Ben most likely also. Nice way to raise your kids
Love the dad doing a back to the future between 35k and 40k,not even clever enough to cheat properly.
Ben and Bob have been removed from the results. I guess Lynn with follow.
Absolutely crazy behaviour from one family.
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I guess Lynn with follow.
First HM - 2:04:04 (9;28 pace)
Second HM - 1:46:49 (8:09 pace)
Yeah, she definitely cheated.
Absolute madness.
Good to see justice has been done, but the cheating rats will probably try and pull the same trick again elsewhere.
They should also be reported to their running club now they have been disqualified as this tarnishes their name unfairly. Vile conduct.
This is really quite shocking and I've only come across the thread when a friend brought to my attention. I am unashamedly a slow runner and I'm fine with that but the likes of these cheats are the first to criticise us slow ones at the back when in reality we probably do more work than them because we actually cover the whole course!!!!
I cant believe the mother is still allowed on the results, her first marathon and she did the second half faster than the first half and faster than her half PB?! Give me a break!!
Has anyone reported this matter to their club? I am sure they will want to deal with it, I've seen their members at races up and down the country and they are a lovely lot always very inclusive to us slow runners and I am sure they wont want their club being brought into disrepute and their good reputation tainted. Also maybe a matter for UKA if they are affiliated (which presumably they are given they are club runners?)
This really does need dealing with and bringing out in the open it cheats other runners of places and really, really damages the reputation of lots of hard working great runners of all abilities
All 3 were rightly reported, and I would assume that Berlin will get to the mother in time, possibly working through in order of finishing time. As far as I know, only Ben is affiliated. As you say, the club have a great reputation, and they will hopefully know about this. As things stand, at least this prevents them from obtaining a good for age entry under false pretences. Now that he is officially disqualified, hopefully they will be in a position to take action.
Locally it seems there is awareness of this which is great, as this will hopefully help to deter others from trying something similar, though I would like to think that this would never be an option for most right minded people.
I hope he is thoroughly ashamed of himself, and his parents have set an appalling example to their son in going along with this, which would have deprived other genuine entrants of a likely London place had this not been brought to the attention of the race organisation.
I spoke to a few other milers at a race today and they all seemed to know about it and aren't happy with them.
Ben is down for the Liverpool marathon so see how his splits look as that's pretty easy to cheat at.
He ran the 10k and won that, but very similar to his usual time and that is likely legit as he does have some talent at the shorter distances for sure.
I would be surprised if he does another marathon for a long time as he knows he will be watched very closely from now on. Good to see the others at his club are disappointed in his conduct also, though I would expect no less as they are a good bunch.