Kiplimo vs Ingebrigtsen, Jacob vs Jakob. Who is the more impresssive 20yo?

Unlike many people, I don't see Jakob as the future of everything from 1500-5000. I think he will do well up to 3k but my money is on Kiplimo being the more successful 5000m athlete. I think they can trade blows in the 3 and 5k but that Jakob will prevail 3k and under and Kiplimo will do better 5000m and up.

Close, but I would give the edge to Kiplimo, Hopefully they meet in Zurich next week. We wont know who had the better career for a long time as in 15 years they will only be 35 to 36 an age when some are still very competitive Examples Bernard Lagat, E. Kipchoge and GEB, And these 2 are in that category, I am not saying they are as good yet as they were in their prime and neither is as accomplished (Ingebritsen has an Olympic Gold Medal, but those are Multiple World and Olympic Champions) They could be when it is all said and done comparable to the very elite.

Jacob was the man in 2021.

Jakob has established himself as the alpha this year.

1500, 3k, and 5k

OozmaKappa wrote:

I believe Kiplimo is the more impressive 20yo and he does not get the credit he deserves. Let's start by listing each athletes notable performances and their World Athletics scores.

Yakob:

1500m | 3:28.32 | 2021 | 1269

3000m | 7:27.05 | 2020 | 1258

5000m | 12:48.4 | 2021 | 1252

Jacob:

3000m | 7:26.64 | 2020 | 1261

5000m | 12:48.6 | 2020 | 1252

10000m| 26:33.9 | 2021 | 1268

Half-M | 57:37 | 2020 | 1294

The reason Yakob gets way more recognition is bc he has already climbed to the top of mid distance running. But the thing is, Kiplimo has it a lot harder if he wants to do the same. He has to compete with WR holders at every distance from the 5k to the marathon. Yakob only had to beat Timothy. Tim's great, but he's not a Cheptegei, hes not a Kipchoge.

Also, it's worth noting that Kiplimo is probably one of the athletes that did not benefit from the Olympics' postponement, and Yakob clearly did.

Jakob I has a gold medal in the Olympics, so if the measure of an athlete is how they do in the biggest race, then I guess he wins...although Kiplimo has a mighty fast half marathon time and may end up being greater if he can build on that up to marathon distance.

I already went over why the medals are not a good point of comparison. Simply put, Kiplimo is facing better competition. And medals are only a good gauge of success, not how good of a runner you are, bc the context in which theyre won is ignored.

The Unkle wrote:

"Jacob was the man in 2021.

Jakob has established himself as the alpha this year.

1500, 3k, and 5k"

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I suppose you mean Jacob was the man in 2020!?

But otherwise I agree:

Jakob was the best in 2021 also running a better time in the 5000m.

I am one of those who think Jakob will be the man to beat in the coming years also in the 5000m where he will have the edge over even Cheptegei, Jacob, Ahmed, Gebrhiwet and Barega.

But we must wait to see next season. I don´t think Jakob will run the 5000m in Zürich.

It's this kind of talk from Yakob fanboys that makes me eager to see Yakob run with the big boys. You guys want all the smoke theres no one you think this mf cant beat🤣

I remember Kiplimo passing Jakob at the end of a Diamond League 3000 last year. Maybe it was Rome. I'm not sure. But my burning image is that Jakob didn't seem upset or surprised at all. It was like...I'm supposed to get outkicked by that guy.

With every other runner including Cheruiyot, Jakob seemed to maintain full confidence and know it was merely a matter of time. Only that Kiplimo race seemed different, including the lack of eye contact afterward. That's why it made such an impression on me.

It's kind of like Hassan's acknowledgment that she holds the upper hand against anyone except Kipyegon.

Jakob is better. Had Jacob scored a silver in either race, the point could be argued.

Jacob held the edge last year, but it is now Jakob until further notice, especially with the big 5000 victory.

Jakob is better in 1500-5k. He has the better speed, would win in an 800 as well. Kiplimo starts to win at 10,000 meters with his best event at half marathon, eventually will run sub 2:03 in the marathon. Jakob may never race a competitive marathon, and if he did would probably not run under 2:05. They are different beasts who meet around the 3k-5k mark which is where they're pretty even. Under 3k-5k Jakob wins, over 5k and Kiplimo wins. Jakob is better because he has the olympic gold and world championship 4th place finish and multiple european championships.

I agree that Jakob is more impressive at this point in their careers. Kiplimo's range is absolutely amazing, however. I think he could very well end up with the better career, but it's going to come in the 10,000+. That 7:26 is looking more and more like an outlier. Kiplimo will probably end up something like a 12:40/26:15/57:00/2:02 guy that will probably never run faster than he already has in the 3000 and probably won't ever break 3:30 or get all that close to it -- maybe like a 3:33 guy. I think Jakob will be something like a 3:27/7:23/12:40 but won't dip much below 27:00 and will never be much of anything in the HM/Marathon.

They should be required to race a one-on-one 5000, which is probably their catchweight, every year for the next 10 years.

Simple answer. Jakob has clearly surpassed kiplimo this year and that gap will only continue to widen. As you can clearly see, Jakob has improved while Jacob has not.

Jakob will likely lower his pb's next year. Kiplimo will not

I think Jakob will eventually do something like low 59 in the half. Wasn't he scheduled to run one at some point but cancelled?

It kind of works out that he can re-energize after outdoor, and run a half during base training. The 10000 is less likely to get a good performance due to 1500-3000-5000 coming at the same time.

the better jakob wrote:

Simple answer. Jakob has clearly surpassed kiplimo this year and that gap will only continue to widen. As you can clearly see, Jakob has improved while Jacob has not.

Jakob will likely lower his pb's next year. Kiplimo will not

I mean it seems pretty obvious Kiplimo is not on his game right now. Not sure if he is injured or what, but taking it as some clear sign he's not going to improve in the future is silly.

He ran a solo 26:33 this year in non-superspikes.

Yakob fanboys are definitely in the building. 🤣

You guys keep bringing up the gold medal. But again, Yakob didnt have to beat an El Gorrouj, Komen, or Lagat to win that gold medal. Kiplimo lives in the shadow of a Bekele/Kipchoge level talent in Cheptegei. Yakob always had the better shot at a medal. To see that winning gold doesnt mean youre the best one need only turn to the previous olympic champion. 💀

OozmaKappa wrote:

Yakob fanboys are definitely in the building. 🤣

I find him annoying. Him and his brothers.

However he has a gold medal. The rest is irrelevant. Much as I hate to admit it, right now, he is the more impressive one.

birdbeard wrote:

the better jakob wrote:

Simple answer. Jakob has clearly surpassed kiplimo this year and that gap will only continue to widen. As you can clearly see, Jakob has improved while Jacob has not.

Jakob will likely lower his pb's next year. Kiplimo will not

I mean it seems pretty obvious Kiplimo is not on his game right now. Not sure if he is injured or what, but taking it as some clear sign he's not going to improve in the future is silly.

He ran a solo 26:33 this year in non-superspikes.

Both Kiplimo and Cheptegei, his training partner, were clearly peaked for last year and struggled to be at their best this year. Obv something went wrong there with their training, Cheptegei bounced back a little bit better. Still, like you said, its not like Kiplimos season was a bust since that 10k pr was pretty damn good.

I think its silly that people count Cheptegei out just bc of this, and then do the same for Kiplimo. They underperformed but it speaks to their abilities that they can medal and still disappoint.

OozmaKappa wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

I mean it seems pretty obvious Kiplimo is not on his game right now. Not sure if he is injured or what, but taking it as some clear sign he's not going to improve in the future is silly.

He ran a solo 26:33 this year in non-superspikes.

Both Kiplimo and Cheptegei, his training partner, were clearly peaked for last year and struggled to be at their best this year. Obv something went wrong there with their training, Cheptegei bounced back a little bit better. Still, like you said, its not like Kiplimos season was a bust since that 10k pr was pretty damn good.

I think its silly that people count Cheptegei out just bc of this, and then do the same for Kiplimo. They underperformed but it speaks to their abilities that they can medal and still disappoint.

Well, they don't train together, and we know Cheptegei was injured (achilles) in his 5000 prior to the Olympics and at the Olympics themselves. But he seems to be getting over it.

I assume Kiplimo either also had an issue we don't know about or had an issue earlier in the year and lost a lot of training time.