Another lame 1:45 today in Paris and almost dead last. He peaked perfectly for the Trials and looked fantastic. He's been stuck a 1:45 for every other race and nowhere near the top three. WTF??
Another lame 1:45 today in Paris and almost dead last. He peaked perfectly for the Trials and looked fantastic. He's been stuck a 1:45 for every other race and nowhere near the top three. WTF??
He did have that hamstring issue, I wonder if it derailed his training
CopperRunner wrote:
He did have that hamstring issue, I wonder if it derailed his training
Racing at Olympics while injured may make sense. Only so many opportunities to race at Olympics. If Murphy is injured, what is he doing?
Not injured, he raced a ton before and after the Olympics. That’s not something you’d do if your body was in shambles.
He’s turned into a real head case over the last couple of years. Doubts himself and fails to get into position early in races, always with the unnecessary shoving, constantly running wide, and really struggles to find gears the final 100 meters.
I miss the Clayton of 2016 who was arrogant, didn’t respect his competitors, and expected win every race.
Real Talk wrote:
Not injured, he raced a ton before and after the Olympics. That’s not something you’d do if your body was in shambles.
He’s turned into a real head case over the last couple of years. Doubts himself and fails to get into position early in races, always with the unnecessary shoving, constantly running wide, and really struggles to find gears the final 100 meters.
I miss the Clayton of 2016 who was arrogant, didn’t respect his competitors, and expected win every race.
He actually had good position for all of the first 600 meters today. was destroyed in the final 100 though.
I would say nothing is wrong with him. He's past his peak.
Our Paris recap isn't up yet but I wrote this "This was Murphy's 3rd race since the Olympics. His 1:45.60 time was his fastest since the Tokyo, but it got him his worst finish (9th). Looking at the season as a whole it is clear Murphy's peak was at the Olympic Trials where he ran 1:43.17 for the win. Since then his best race was his 1:44.18 to make the Olympic final. If he could reverse when his two best races of the year were he might be the Olympic champ but that’s not how it works."
wejo wrote:
I would say nothing is wrong with him. He's past his peak.
Our Paris recap isn't up yet but I wrote this "This was Murphy's 3rd race since the Olympics. His 1:45.60 time was his fastest since the Tokyo, but it got him his worst finish (9th). Looking at the season as a whole it is clear Murphy's peak was at the Olympic Trials where he ran 1:43.17 for the win. Since then his best race was his 1:44.18 to make the Olympic final. If he could reverse when his two best races of the year were he might be the Olympic champ but that’s not how it works."
[quote]wejo wrote:
I would say nothing is wrong with him. He's past his peak.
Our Paris recap isn't up yet but I wrote this "This was Murphy's 3rd race since the Olympics. His 1:45.60 time was his fastest since the Tokyo, but it got him his worst finish (9th). Looking at the season as a whole it is clear Murphy's peak was at the Olympic Trials where he ran 1:43.17 for the win. Since then his best race was his 1:44.18 to make the Olympic final. If he could reverse when his two best races of the year were he might be the Olympic champ but that’s not how it works. Bingo!! He peaked at the trials and everything since has been a couple seconds slow
wejo wrote:
I would say nothing is wrong with him. He's past his peak.
Our Paris recap isn't up yet but I wrote this "This was Murphy's 3rd race since the Olympics. His 1:45.60 time was his fastest since the Tokyo, but it got him his worst finish (9th). Looking at the season as a whole it is clear Murphy's peak was at the Olympic Trials where he ran 1:43.17 for the win. Since then his best race was his 1:44.18 to make the Olympic final. If he could reverse when his two best races of the year were he might be the Olympic champ but that’s not how it works."
It’s very possible that he anticipated he would’ve had a harder time making the US team.
Brazier seemed like a lock and is 2019 World Champ.
Hoppel got 4th at Worlds in 2019.
Harris is a very good 800m runner.
Jewett was a surprise to some but he’s the NCAA champ and clearly no slouch.
Many people (and perhaps Murphy himself) thought that the top 2 spots were a lock and it would pretty much be a battle for 3rd. Imo it’s better to peak at USAs and be an Olympic finalist than it would be to time your peak for the Olympic final only to miss out even making the team.
It's called collecting appearance fees and finishing out the circuit.
Showmethemoneyy wrote:
It's called collecting appearance fees and finishing out the circuit.
What is Murphy's appearance fee? I am guessing peanuts. I am guessing appearance fee would pay for a couple pints of beer, burger & fries in now where, Iowa or over the cliff, Montana. Europe is expensive. Murphy is an Olympic medalist. He needs to worry about his reputation. N.F.L. season is relatively short. Some current N.F.L. guys work regular jobs in off-season. Up until mid-1970's, most N.F.L. guys worked off-season jobs, except for a few big stars. Murphy would do better working as a mortgage broker, selling real estate, insurance agent or financial advisor than what he is doing to his name and reputation.
why race then? wrote:
Showmethemoneyy wrote:
It's called collecting appearance fees and finishing out the circuit.
What is Murphy's appearance fee? I am guessing peanuts. I am guessing appearance fee would pay for a couple pints of beer, burger & fries in now where, Iowa or over the cliff, Montana. Europe is expensive. Murphy is an Olympic medalist. He needs to worry about his reputation. N.F.L. season is relatively short. Some current N.F.L. guys work regular jobs in off-season. Up until mid-1970's, most N.F.L. guys worked off-season jobs, except for a few big stars. Murphy would do better working as a mortgage broker, selling real estate, insurance agent or financial advisor than what he is doing to his name and reputation.
You make it seem like he committed a capital crime by not running well. Ease off the testosterone and egomania, buddy. It's OK, nobody will call you weak or stuff you in a trash can anymore.
IT ain't rocket science. A combo of (hopefully) minor injury and waning peak fitness. It's likely hard to sustain peak fitness if you are nursing any kind of injury.
Think of Lagat at the 2008 Olympics. On top of the world in 2007, he was out of the action in the 1500 and the 5000 the next year. He was nursing a minor injury.
Good luck for a better 2022 to Clayton Murphy.
His injury before the trials forced an early peak that he couldn't come back from. Let's not forget this was the guy who ran 1:48 indoors that everyone was writing off. He went from 1:48 down to 1:43. He will be in a much better starting position next season, so look out for him. Hopefully, he can also return to a high level in the 1500m as well. His season-best this year was only 3:38 compared to his 3:36 SB in 2016 and his 3:51 mile at Pre in 2017.
He's ran in nearly every 800m since the trials, so unlikely he has had anything but a very minor injury. Some of his races he's been a mess tactically, others like Lausanne he simply didn't have it. Probably should shut it down now, but I'm guessing he'll run in Zurich. A shame Brazier had his injury because the 800m is incredibly weak this year.
I have no idea why you guys are fixated on final time. Murphy is experimenting with various tactics, after finally coming to his senses and realizing he can't linger near the back and depend on a late kick.
It is absolutely the proper approach but right now while worn out late in the season he can't hold form as a stalker. It's something he needs to prioritize throughout the offseason and then put into practice once racing resumes. It will be easier at that point because he'll have Brazier and Jewitt in obvious positions. Diamond League is considerably more complicated because other than the pacer nobody uses the same strategy from race to race.
why race then? wrote:
CopperRunner wrote:
He did have that hamstring issue, I wonder if it derailed his training
Racing at Olympics while injured may make sense. Only so many opportunities to race at Olympics. If Murphy is injured, what is he doing?
Not so much that he was racing on an injured leg, more that the leg was injured while he was prepping to race. Take a week off when it was supposed to be a sharpening week, and a race like 800m where you NEED to be sharp will suffer greatly.
I agree. He peaked at the Trials. Do you think our system is okay to require this, or should votes decide who goes?
CopperRunner wrote:
why race then? wrote:
Racing at Olympics while injured may make sense. Only so many opportunities to race at Olympics. If Murphy is injured, what is he doing?
Not so much that he was racing on an injured leg, more that the leg was injured while he was prepping to race. Take a week off when it was supposed to be a sharpening week, and a race like 800m where you NEED to be sharp will suffer greatly.
everyone is wrong
the trials he red lined super hard and damaged his body, and mentally he doesnt ever want to go that deep to the well again. its 90% mental and the fact he red lined so hard. you run a horse too hard its permanent damage to the heart and lungs, sled dogs the same thing. you push a race car too long at too high RPMs and things break. murphy red lined and will never again hit 1:43, and the fact it hurts so brutally bad he doesnt want to red line again. same thing happened to daniel komen. he red lined so many times and it prob hurt so incredibly bad (regardless of how much EPO saucing he was doing, pain is still pain), and he was able to keep going to the well cause of the $$$$. but even after he was able to make even more his mind and body had enough
bannned i got wrote:
CopperRunner wrote:
Not so much that he was racing on an injured leg, more that the leg was injured while he was prepping to race. Take a week off when it was supposed to be a sharpening week, and a race like 800m where you NEED to be sharp will suffer greatly.
everyone is wrong
the trials he red lined super hard and damaged his body, and mentally he doesnt ever want to go that deep to the well again. its 90% mental and the fact he red lined so hard. you run a horse too hard its permanent damage to the heart and lungs, sled dogs the same thing. you push a race car too long at too high RPMs and things break. murphy red lined and will never again hit 1:43, and the fact it hurts so brutally bad he doesnt want to red line again. same thing happened to daniel komen. he red lined so many times and it prob hurt so incredibly bad (regardless of how much EPO saucing he was doing, pain is still pain), and he was able to keep going to the well cause of the $$$$. but even after he was able to make even more his mind and body had enough
This is hilarious and must be a troll because that's not how the human body works at all. Have you ever run an 800? You "redline" every race.
And to the other post saying that Murphy is just experimenting with tactics, yes, that's probably true to some extent, but he's been flat in nearly every race. If he really had a small injury pre trials I'm not sure the best strategy was to run three Euro meets post-trials in order to peak again. He also probably lost confidence because of how poorly he performed in those meets.
Off the deep end wrote:
bannned i got wrote:
everyone is wrong
the trials he red lined super hard and damaged his body, and mentally he doesnt ever want to go that deep to the well again. its 90% mental and the fact he red lined so hard. you run a horse too hard its permanent damage to the heart and lungs, sled dogs the same thing. you push a race car too long at too high RPMs and things break. murphy red lined and will never again hit 1:43, and the fact it hurts so brutally bad he doesnt want to red line again. same thing happened to daniel komen. he red lined so many times and it prob hurt so incredibly bad (regardless of how much EPO saucing he was doing, pain is still pain), and he was able to keep going to the well cause of the $$$$. but even after he was able to make even more his mind and body had enough
This is hilarious and must be a troll because that's not how the human body works at all. Have you ever run an 800? You "redline" every race.
And to the other post saying that Murphy is just experimenting with tactics, yes, that's probably true to some extent, but he's been flat in nearly every race. If he really had a small injury pre trials I'm not sure the best strategy was to run three Euro meets post-trials in order to peak again. He also probably lost confidence because of how poorly he performed in those meets.
sure have numbnuts....and you said it yourself "he is flat".....flat from red lining. you must think red lining is a bit of pain and discomfort.
im not talking about hobby jogging red lining, im talking about going so deep in the well you pull up sand.
220-your age.....he was hitting 200, his blood lactate was through the roof, capillaries in his lungs were bursting, mitochondria were dying by the thousands. thats what im talking about with red lining....your talking about hobby jogging pain and discomfort. then you mock me as if i have never ran?! lolz i red lined in every all out effort i ever had to do. 400m-10mile time trial. i ran in college and i watch some people red line once and never had that fire again to endure that amount of pain.
when you stand on the line for a race or an all out time trial and your nervous because of the PAIN you will experience, it is different than being nervous cause you dont want to lose. pain in your legs and lungs cause your pushing a hard pace is WAAAAY different than the pain you have cause your body is shutting down yet you push on anyway. you ever lost your voice from breathing so hard for too long? cough up blood after you finish as you are dying to get enough oxygen back in your body? experience body aches and headaches worse than any wine hangover? to puke and dry heave and have small seizures while dying on the infield after a race? yeah you havent red lined then