I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
Ain't 1857 wrote:
I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
Like 30 people ran back then, from a total of 7 countries, so I will give the nod to Hassan.
hassan, obviously
Zatopek. Won 10K by 16 seconds, 5K by 1 second and marathon by over 2.5 minutes. All ORs.
Hassan easily, competitive running was in the developmental stage back then. The level of competition isn't comparable to the level competition today. Would zatopek medal in any of those events today?
800m jogger wrote:
Hassan easily, competitive running was in the developmental stage back then. The level of competition isn't comparable to the level competition today. Would zatopek medal in any of those events today?
He would have won the 3 women's races with ease.
Ain't 1857 wrote:
I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
The very fact that he could decide last minute to run the marathon and win is not so much a testament to his greatness, but simply, how lame the competition standard was back then. Hassan would straight up crush him in the marathon today if they could run head to head, and I think she probably would beat him in the 10K too. His 5K time is considerably faster than hers, but in the end, I suspect if we could transport our 2021 Hassan back to 1952, she would have one all three men's events.
birdbeard wrote:
Ain't 1857 wrote:
I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
Like 30 people ran back then, from a total of 7 countries, so I will give the nod to Hassan.
No.
This is the biggest myth on these boards.
If you took out the dopes, it would be the same nations winning back then, with smaller populations.
Laura Muir for example in the 1500m.
Heck, Laura would have had a shot at a double or treble herself without the dopers.
birdbeard wrote:
Ain't 1857 wrote:
I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
Like 30 people ran back then, from a total of 7 countries, so I will give the nod to Hassan.
It's more like 30 million ran back then from 50 European, North American, Commonwealth countries.
Today it's more like 30,000 run from those countries against 3 million doped East Africans.
Ain't 1857 wrote:
I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
Are you drunk? Just because Zatopek had frizzy hair it doesn't make him Black..
The Olympics were largely an amateur competition winning 2 track golds doesn't top 2 modern golds, but running a distance where hitting the wall is common and then beating the favorite that hit the wall is special.
I would say Hassan with a caveat, but maybe Virren would top Zatopek with an asterik as he was a probable doper.
Coevett wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Like 30 people ran back then, from a total of 7 countries, so I will give the nod to Hassan.
It's more like 30 million ran back then from 50 European, North American, Commonwealth countries.
Today it's more like 30,000 run from those countries against 3 million doped East Africans.
No.
This is the biggest myth on these boards.
It's more likely that clean Africans would have won several medals were they not under the colonial powers of those days or just getting out and having much bigger priorities, like staying alive.
But it says a lot about you that the Olympic games you enjoyed so much were the almost all-white ones.
But keep denying that you are racist.
Coevett wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Like 30 people ran back then, from a total of 7 countries, so I will give the nod to Hassan.
It's more like 30 million ran back then from 50 European, North American, Commonwealth countries.
Today it's more like 30,000 run from those countries against 3 million doped East Africans.
No.
This is the biggest myth on these boards.
It's more likely that clean Africans would have won several medals were they not under the colonial powers of those days or just getting out and having much bigger priorities, like staying alive.
But it says a lot about you that the Olympic games you enjoyed so much were the almost all-white ones.
But keep denying that you are racist.
Don’t bother with that guy. He’s such a slimy character. He acts like he’s roid raging half the time he’s on these threads.
Zatopek and it's not even close.
Ran faster times in 1952 despite garbage sand track, heavy leather spikes with nails at the bottom for traction, limited training knowledge, zero coaching - had to work out how to train himself, training as an amateur around his career as a soldier, no EPO or other drugs, poor accommodation had to sleep outside on some nights during the 1952 Olympics, poor nutrition with his nation having just come out the ravages of WW2 etc etc
That the guy even managed to run competitively was an achievement when you look at what he was up against. Zatopek also seemed to be genuinely loved by all of his competitors which says something about his character.
birdbeard wrote:
Ain't 1857 wrote:
I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.
Like 30 people ran back then, from a total of 7 countries, so I will give the nod to Hassan.
If you weren't too lazy to look it up, you'd know that in the 1952 marathon, there were 66 runners from 32 countries.
Well… Zatopek didn’t improve dramatically after working with a coach that was later banned for doping his runners. So…
JohnMD1022 wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Like 30 people ran back then, from a total of 7 countries, so I will give the nod to Hassan.
If you weren't too lazy to look it up, you'd know that in the 1952 marathon, there were 66 runners from 32 countries.
yeah-any triple with a marathon in it trumps a track triple....
Hassan"s feat was impressive but not as impressive as Zatopek's especially considering that Zatopek . Three golds, including one in the marathon, in OR time is very special regardless of what era it was done.
paul72 wrote:
JohnMD1022 wrote:
If you weren't too lazy to look it up, you'd know that in the 1952 marathon, there were 66 runners from 32 countries.
yeah-any triple with a marathon in it trumps a track triple....
At the time, the marathon was for people too slow to be competitive on the track. In 1972, Shorter was the first world class 10K guy to compete in it. In Zatopek's era the best distance runner's avoided it as if it was an ultra. Abebe Bikila was the exception before Shorter.
I would argue that Zatopek's is more impressive since training was such primitive back then, even if it was probably better than half of current day highschool training