Warholm from everything below 1500m, Ingebrigtsen the rest
Both are generational phenomenons. Warholm can in theory much possible quit running 400m hurdles right now and concentrate all his efforts towards 400m flat and 800 without losing his first WR. Both are young with loads of years infront of them to perfect the other distances. Their sole motivation is to achieve greatness. Is it complete utopia 10 years from now or a tiny opportunity?
If I had to estimate their chances I say somewhere between "none" and "bugger all".
Warlholm would work at McDonald's if hurdles didn't exist.
Aaleby wrote:
Warholm from everything below 1500m, Ingebrigtsen the rest
Both are generational phenomenons. Warholm can in theory much possible quit running 400m hurdles right now and concentrate all his efforts towards 400m flat and 800 without losing his first WR. Both are young with loads of years infront of them to perfect the other distances. Their sole motivation is to achieve greatness. Is it complete utopia 10 years from now or a tiny opportunity?
Of course it is not complete utopia!
They are Norwegians, like you! They are perfect, driven by noble feelings, incapable of cheating, and they work harder than any other athlete!
Didn't you know Norwegians are the best?
lllooollllloool wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
Warholm from everything below 1500m, Ingebrigtsen the rest
Both are generational phenomenons. Warholm can in theory much possible quit running 400m hurdles right now and concentrate all his efforts towards 400m flat and 800 without losing his first WR. Both are young with loads of years infront of them to perfect the other distances. Their sole motivation is to achieve greatness. Is it complete utopia 10 years from now or a tiny opportunity?
Of course it is not complete utopia!
They are Norwegians, like you! They are perfect, driven by noble feelings, incapable of cheating, and they work harder than any other athlete!
Didn't you know Norwegians are the best?
Funny guy 😉 both might have the capacity to beat the WR in any of the distances if they were to specialize and they could have 10 (KW) and 15 years left of the career. Its doable in theory, but the reality is far more complex obviously.
Aaleby, just fishing for compliments for his fellow countrymen. Getting tired of him and KaareW.
Rhododendrone wrote:
Aaleby, just fishing for compliments for his fellow countrymen. Getting tired of him and KaareW.
Fishing for discussion, sure. The topic is highly relevant as both Warholm and Ingebrigtsen has ambitions in the other distances. If Jakob beats the 1500 record the next couple of years he will for sure concentrate on 5k and 10k.
Same goes to KW. That record could take a decade to beat. And for the sake of motivation he will sooner then later look towards 800m. Its an open question what he can achieve, but Warholm surely has enough time to do it properly.
Aaleby wrote:
Whats the chance for KW and JI to hijack all the WR from 300m --> 10k?
Absolutely 0.
43.03 is not happening.
1.40.91 is most of all not happening.
John Scott wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
Whats the chance for KW and JI to hijack all the WR from 300m --> 10k?
Absolutely 0.
43.03 is not happening.
1.40.91 is most of all not happening.
+1 on this. I also don't see Jakob touching any of the WRs 3k and above. I think he has the best shot at the 1500 honestly.
Also... in what world is KWs WR safe? Rai wasn't that far back from him and presumably still has some room to get faster...
highhoppingworm wrote:
John Scott wrote:
Absolutely 0.
43.03 is not happening.
1.40.91 is most of all not happening.
Also... in what world is KWs WR safe? Rai wasn't that far back from him and presumably still has some room to get faster...
It could be one of those records where absolutly every element was right that particulary day. Colin Jackson thinks it will outlive him. Guess we just have to wait and see.
No chance.
I think KW is a 10.20/20.30 /43.90(100/200/400) guy, so not fast enough for 300/400m WRs
I do think he has a legitimate shot at the 600m WR doe
Jacob can probably snag the 1500m WR, but I think he lacks the speed for 800m. Warholm at 800m might be interesting, but I think he's "too fast" to break the 800m wr.
Rai will eventually get the 400 Hurdles WR, in my opinion.
I think Warholm would have maybe a 3-5% chance of the 400 record, .1% at 300, 5% at 600, 0% at 800+
Jakob I'd say --
1500 - 35%
3000 - 10%
5000 - 10%
10,000 - 5%
These numbers look reasonable to me birdbeard.
I think Rai will never run faster than he did in Tokyo. It was optimal conditions and he was having the fastest 400mh runner ever in his sight the whole way. Quincy watts who is his coach made his PB at 22 in the Barcelona olympics and Bolt did at 23 in Berlin
erico12234 wrote:
I think Rai will never run faster than he did in Tokyo.
Likely to be true.
I am not so sure. He is 1.5 years younger than Warholm, has more flat speed and is likely motivated. I think we could see an improvement over the WR at Eugene next year given how fast that track is.
Rai still has technique gains to be made. We'll see, I suppose, but he'll have Warholm either right ahead or right behind him for awhile, so I think we'll see more fast times.
* No 300m world best for K.W.
* No 400m world record for K.W.
* No 500m world best for K.W.
I believe a man needs F.A.T. sub-43.50 400m speed to beat 600 yard world best. I bet against K.W. possessing F.A.T. sub-43.5 400m speed. If K.W. cannot best Butch Reynold's 66.87 600 yard, K.W. is not breaking other records.
I believe a man needs sub-1:43 800m P.B. to best 600m world best. I bet against K.W. besting Johnny Gray's record.
IMO, K.W. will not best 600 yard world best and K.W. will not best 600m world best. Since K.W. will not surpass those two records, no need to further discuss K.W. and T&F records.
Out of respect for record holders: 1500m/one mile/2000m/3000m/5000m, J.I. needs to race and race faster before I argue one way or another. J.I. possibly one day could break one or more of the records in those events. Those events and those events only.
Karsten "Green Lantern" Warholm is the only one that ran the race of his life. Colin is a fool if he does not see this record falling within the next three seasons.
Someone wrote 43.90??? In what world? Green Lantern has not scratched 43.
Neither of these young men possess the speed to break the records before them. That 3k wr is untouchable! 7:20 remains the toughest record on the books.
I am waiting on the day the elders take the power of the lantern away from Warholm. LOL
Those two vikings will take down several more world records. I hope they run the DMR.