This is a very good analysis of the Tokyo 1500 m final. Nick thinks that Jakob will take a crack at the World Record in the next year or so perhaps in Monaco. If you asked me a year ago whether anyone could break 3:26 I'd laugh at them. Still not sure Jakob is capable but he's got many years to try. I think this is worth watching :
some thoughts.
Agree, this was the greatest 1500 ever run. It finally surpasses ElGuerrouj's 2004 Olympic 1500, and I love that race!
You're going to look flat when the pace goes out in 1:51 for 800, so shame to Ollie Hoare or Jake Wightman.
Nick, good call on Seville 1999, another awesome race with literally everyone there with Cacho, Morcelli, Ngeny, ElG, and Kaouch as the pace-setter.
Nick, thanks for your insight. Would like to see more posts from you. Could be a more polished version of what Nick Symmonds has to offer.
Gonna call cap on that one. Thats major american copium, Hocker is not in shape to run sub 3:30. His SB before the Olympics was 3:33 if you convert his mile from February. He spent less time training this year and more time racing than the rest of his competition, it's remarkable he managed to lower his PB to 3:31 in the final given all this. You could not have reasonably expected Hocker to do better than he did.
Its gonna take at least another training cycle before Hocker can go sub 3:30.
Prime El g and Jakob
1500 meter race
Who wins?
woke points wrote:
Prime El g and Jakob
1500 meter race
Who wins?
El G for sure. But in a few years that could change.
woke points wrote:
Prime El g and Jakob
1500 meter race
Who wins?
El G Wins, but Jacob is young and still improving. And remember if this race were possible and it is not, they would both have the same track to run on and similar shoes, shoes and tracks get better/faster as time goes by, and it is pretty clear the ones that came out very recently are a game changer.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Gonna call cap on that one. Thats major american copium, Hocker is not in shape to run sub 3:30. His SB before the Olympics was 3:33 if you convert his mile from February. He spent less time training this year and more time racing than the rest of his competition, it's remarkable he managed to lower his PB to 3:31 in the final given all this. You could not have reasonably expected Hocker to do better than he did.
Its gonna take at least another training cycle before Hocker can go sub 3:30.
PRd twice in the games, had more in him in a similar race if he was fresh, as did some ahead of him. But I guess if you can’t even listen to Nick Willis there is no way I’ll be able to pull your head out of your ass, you’ll have to do it yourself.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Thats major american copium.
From the New Zealander Nick Willis?
OozmaKappa wrote:
Gonna call cap on that one. Thats major american copium, Hocker is not in shape to run sub 3:30. His SB before the Olympics was 3:33 if you convert his mile from February. He spent less time training this year and more time racing than the rest of his competition, it's remarkable he managed to lower his PB to 3:31 in the final given all this. You could not have reasonably expected Hocker to do better than he did.
Its gonna take at least another training cycle before Hocker can go sub 3:30.
He ran 3:31.3 on a hot day after running two hard 1500s in the previous 4 days? No way he could run faster on a better day with fresh legs?
Summer of 2006 wrote:
some thoughts.
Agree, this was the greatest 1500 ever run. It finally surpasses ElGuerrouj's 2004 Olympic 1500, and I love that race!
You're going to look flat when the pace goes out in 1:51 for 800, so shame to Ollie Hoare or Jake Wightman.
Nick, good call on Seville 1999, another awesome race with literally everyone there with Cacho, Morcelli, Ngeny, ElG, and Kaouch as the pace-setter.
Nick, thanks for your insight. Would like to see more posts from you. Could be a more polished version of what Nick Symmonds has to offer.
Just wanted to say, I meant, "no shame... to Ollie and Jake" both ran very well in the olympics.
Watching 1999…man how hopped up on PEDs was Reyes Estevez in this one? He tries to go by El Guerrouj who’s running 54-second pace with 450 to go? Even Marty Liquori is like the crowd is dictating this but…I think it was something else
French Dawg wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Gonna call cap on that one. Thats major american copium, Hocker is not in shape to run sub 3:30. His SB before the Olympics was 3:33 if you convert his mile from February. He spent less time training this year and more time racing than the rest of his competition, it's remarkable he managed to lower his PB to 3:31 in the final given all this. You could not have reasonably expected Hocker to do better than he did.
Its gonna take at least another training cycle before Hocker can go sub 3:30.
PRd twice in the games, had more in him in a similar race if he was fresh, as did some ahead of him. But I guess if you can’t even listen to Nick Willis there is no way I’ll be able to pull your head out of your ass, you’ll have to do it yourself.
Youre delusional if you think Hocker could have just magically gone from being a 3:33/3:35 guy to being a sub 3:30 guy.
Is Jakob also in 3:26 shape? Is Tim also in 3:27 shape?
Hocker can get there, but youre wrong in assuming hes already there. Give it time and he will get there. But stfu about this couldawouldashoulda. It nay be unfalsifiable but its also plain unreasonable.
ringo-starr wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Thats major american copium.
From the New Zealander Nick Willis?
LOL ok thats funny. But i wasnt saying the mf was american, i was likening his overestimation of Hocker's current capabilities to that of the many american commentators who foolishly believed Hocker was ever in the running for a medal when in actuality he was never a contender.
The Dirty Duck wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Gonna call cap on that one. Thats major american copium, Hocker is not in shape to run sub 3:30. His SB before the Olympics was 3:33 if you convert his mile from February. He spent less time training this year and more time racing than the rest of his competition, it's remarkable he managed to lower his PB to 3:31 in the final given all this. You could not have reasonably expected Hocker to do better than he did.
Its gonna take at least another training cycle before Hocker can go sub 3:30.
He ran 3:31.3 on a hot day after running two hard 1500s in the previous 4 days? No way he could run faster on a better day with fresh legs?
3:31.40 not 3:31.3. So 2.4 seconds away from 3:29.0 and there are no Mondo 1-2% tracks in the US.
Great summary by nick - thanks for doing that.
Picking up on the kipsang comment I actually think the same could be said for Josh Kerr regarding his first lap. Looked about 56 high which means he’s 232 for last 1100 or 245/6 for last 12. Not sure he’ll do it this year but I actually do think by going through 800 at 151 and a strong 3rd lap - he could skip 328’s and hit 327.
douglas burke wrote:
woke points wrote:
Prime El g and Jakob
1500 meter race
Who wins?
El G Wins, but Jacob is young and still improving. And remember if this race were possible and it is not, they would both have the same track to run on and similar shoes, shoes and tracks get better/faster as time goes by, and it is pretty clear the ones that came out very recently are a game changer.
Agreed. El G would be running 3:24 low on today's tracks and in the shoes.
Agreed also that if El G had been subjected to the same testing as Jakob in his day, he would either have been busted or never ran under 3:32.
I think one thing that people are really overestimating is the emotional affect of the olympics. I remember after rio 2016 people were debating how quick Clayton Murphy would run and I was adamant he wouldn’t PR again - that race was emotionally and physically perfect for him, the olympics has that impact.
Take into account that the track being arguably the fastest in the world and the fact that we’re seeing that pacing isn’t hugely important in the 1500 (it’s becoming very similar to the 800 in that regard) and I don’t think we’ll see Kerr or Jakob run substantially quicker in Monaco.
I also understand Jakob looked like he had more left in the tank but sometimes that’s just how it looks when you run your best, plus again the emotional high of winning olympics
Willis has a habit of making big calls that don't pan out. Kessler to make the team, Hocker to win a medal, etc. I'll take this with a pinch of salt
Trackfan55 wrote:
I also understand Jakob looked like he had more left in the tank but sometimes that’s just how it looks when you run your best, plus again the emotional high of winning olympics
If you were to believe the words of Jakob after the race; he had quite more left in the the tank.
Don't know about sub-3:30 but Hocker can certainly run faster considering he had to run two rounds of the 1500 before the final.