What kind of 5000m time could he run, theoretically ?
What kind of 5000m time could he run, theoretically ?
13:00-13:10
No idea, but to be really performant in any event you need to train relatively frequently at a faster pace than the pace you aim for to achieve at the given event.
And I don't think Kipchoge do workout faster than 1:05/laps very often.
Of course he's probably doing some fast 200, but it's not what is meant when I say training faster than the pace you want to achieve in any given event.
So, all in all, I think he would have trouble to run sub 13:20, and maybe in good conditions and pacing he could achieve a 13:15.
It's a different story if he gives up on Marathon, and focus on 5000m training for a little while.
Case in point, geb ran 26:51 in 2008.
At his absolute physical peak Kipchoge was around 12:30... Today possibly 12:50. Definitely sub 13.
He dropped a 14:30 in the middle of the Olympics like he was tempoing a 25 min Turkey Trot.
If he went back to the track for the triple 5k/10k/marathon. He could dethrone Bekele for Legend status... He could win the 10k with a hard pace from the beginning but could he be competitive in the 5k? Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
Basement Dwelling Fanboi wrote:
At his absolute physical peak Kipchoge was around 12:30... Today possibly 12:50. Definitely sub 13.
He dropped a 14:30 in the middle of the Olympics like he was tempoing a 25 min Turkey Trot.
If he went back to the track for the triple 5k/10k/marathon. He could dethrone Bekele for Legend status... He could win the 10k with a hard pace from the beginning but could he be competitive in the 5k? Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
12:30...you should stay off the weed, mate.
And let’s not forget he outkicked 2 of the greatest 5000m runners ever. He also beat Mo Farah indoors at 2 miles.
Kipchoge is one of the greatest ever.
Basement Dwelling Fanboi wrote:
At his absolute physical peak Kipchoge was around 12:30... Today possibly 12:50. Definitely sub 13.
He dropped a 14:30 in the middle of the Olympics like he was tempoing a 25 min Turkey Trot.
If he went back to the track for the triple 5k/10k/marathon. He could dethrone Bekele for Legend status... He could win the 10k with a hard pace from the beginning but could he be competitive in the 5k? Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
^agree. that 14:30 5K split toward the end of the marathon was awesome
Most people in this thread are out of their minds. No way he would run anywhere close to 13:00 anymore.
Basement Dwelling Fanboi wrote:
And let’s not forget he outkicked 2 of the greatest 5000m runners ever. He also beat Mo Farah indoors at 2 miles.
Kipchoge is one of the greatest ever.
Then he got outkicked in any major races for the reminder of his track career.
Luvs 2 Spooge wrote:
Most people in this thread are out of their minds. No way he would run anywhere close to 13:00 anymore.
13:10/27:00 in peak MARATHON shape.
But he’s exceptionally good at the Marathon.
If he raced one in the weekend I reckon 13:20-30.
I am going to completely guess 13:15-13:25 if he ran a 5k TT instead of the olympic marathon last week. I would be surprised if slower but wouldn't be surprised if a bit faster.
With some specific training for a few months I have to think he could still get down close to 13.
Basement Dwelling Fanboi wrote:
At his absolute physical peak Kipchoge was around 12:30... Today possibly 12:50. Definitely sub 13.
He dropped a 14:30 in the middle of the Olympics like he was tempoing a 25 min Turkey Trot.
If he went back to the track for the triple 5k/10k/marathon. He could dethrone Bekele for Legend status... He could win the 10k with a hard pace from the beginning but could he be competitive in the 5k? Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
This was the silliest thing I have read in a long time.
I agree with 13:15 to 13:30 type range. but who knows.
when you really go all in on the marathon training, it seems to take away a lot of the wheels.
im not sure i believe he could specifically train down to a 13:00 at this point, so maybe 13:15 is optimistic for peak marathon shape.
heartfoundation wrote:
If he raced one in the weekend I reckon 13:20-30.
He just ran 2.08 in extreme conditions. Can you comprehend the fitness level that requires?
If he ran a 5000 against the top guys, the only thing he would lack would be his old finishing kick.
No. He would be left in the dust. Top 5000 guys don't run a 4:45 pace. They run more like a 4 minute pace. That would seem like an utter sprint to Kipchoge
trut be tol wrote:
No. He would be left in the dust. Top 5000 guys don't run a 4:45 pace. They run more like a 4 minute pace. That would seem like an utter sprint to Kipchoge
Do you think all that marathon training has compromised his VO2max?
They call him the Marathon GOAT for a reason wrote:
heartfoundation wrote:
If he raced one in the weekend I reckon 13:20-30.
He just ran 2.08 in extreme conditions. Can you comprehend the fitness level that requires?
If he ran a 5000 against the top guys, the only thing he would lack would be his old finishing kick.
Doesn't require great speed to do that, though. Look at the Japanese guys -- Osako has been running 13:30s or slower as a 2:05 guy. Maybe Kipchoge would be faster as a guy with good speed in his youth, but I think there comes a point where being too fit at the 5k makes you a worse marathoner.
They call him the Marathon GOAT for a reason wrote:
trut be tol wrote:
No. He would be left in the dust. Top 5000 guys don't run a 4:45 pace. They run more like a 4 minute pace. That would seem like an utter sprint to Kipchoge
Do you think all that marathon training has compromised his VO2max?
Have you trained for marathons? Just curious. It really does sap your turnover. I’ve had to grind out 5ks in 30+ seconds slower than what I felt I should have been capable of during marathon training. My 13:10 may have been optimistic, though I figure he’s getting some track-applicable benefits from training with Kamworor and R. Kwemoi, unless I’m mistaken.