Centro goes home devastated.

hind sight? wrote:

This isn't about Centro, too bad for him, would love to see the US have two guys in the final and in the hunt for a medal.

This is about the internet know it alls.

Where are the guys calling the TT a great idea, just bad pacing etc.???

Come on guys, you were wrong admit it.

Shooting your wad in a worthless TT??

How did that work out????

Yeah, I agree and said so at the time. Why run a time trial that saps the legs? I thought it might be a ploy, but, clearly he was all out in that race. Same with Coburn. I thought it incredibly stupid to chase a time before the Olympics, but maybe she had something else going on with her.

At the end of the day, Centro is still a gold medalist and sub-3:50 miler. But he won’t ever break 3:30 for 1500. Those days are in the rear view mirror. I really wish he’d moved to the 5,000 this year.

doping cheater out !!!

abcrunning wrote:

Most overrated O champion of all time.

Never a factor at world stage, never won a single diamond league. Just a lucky champ.

2016 many injured, pedestrian race, etc.

Champions like this should not exist.

What qualifies as a factor on the world stage? Does he have a weakness? Absolutely, but look at his finishes in the championships below. "Never a factor on the world stage" is a asinine comment

Competition record

Year Competition Venue Position Event Notes

Representing the United States

2011 World Championships Daegu, South Korea 3rd 1500 m 3:36.08

Olympic Games London, United Kingdom 4th 1500 m 3:35.17

2013 World Championships Moscow, Russia 2nd 1500 m 3:36.78

2016 World Indoor Championships Portland, United States 1st 1500 m 3:44.22

Olympic Games Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 1st 1500 m 3:50.00

centro was a great runner and competitive on the world stage for close to a decade. the key word is WAS. he hinted he was in PB shape, but he never showed it. he proved today he was in 333 shape which we knew wouldnt be enough. anything can happen in the finals and i think these semis were fast to eliminate some of the unknowns. i would be surprised if the final is faster. Jakob never looks interested in front running. Stewy is obviously comfortable pushing an honest pace, but he looked pretty winded today and fell to 5th when front running. On his best day, Tim could go wire to wire and no one would catch him, but he has shown weaknesses this year too. i think the rest of the field would be happy with a 332-334 race with a fast last lap.

Can hocker beat Kerr? I like that match up!

I know theirs more competitive guys in the race I’m not oblivious to that I’m just curious about these two. Hocker has a quick turnover and acceleration. Kerr is all power and will and won’t give in til the line. It’s like I could see hocker passing him and then kerr passing him back in the last 5m. Kerr is better in my opinion and the real deal.

trying wrote:

abcrunning wrote:

Most overrated O champion of all time.

Never a factor at world stage, never won a single diamond league. Just a lucky champ.

2016 many injured, pedestrian race, etc.

Champions like this should not exist.

What qualifies as a factor on the world stage? Does he have a weakness? Absolutely, but look at his finishes in the championships below. "Never a factor on the world stage" is a asinine comment

Competition record

Year Competition Venue Position Event Notes

Representing the United States

2011 World Championships Daegu, South Korea 3rd 1500 m 3:36.08

Olympic Games London, United Kingdom 4th 1500 m 3:35.17

2013 World Championships Moscow, Russia 2nd 1500 m 3:36.78

2016 World Indoor Championships Portland, United States 1st 1500 m 3:44.22

Olympic Games Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 1st 1500 m 3:50.00

Lol the last one was an anomaly and we all know that and then you put up World Indoors a meet that no one in East Africa cares about. They send their B and C team if anyone at all so per your list Centrowitz has not been a factor since 2013 plus one (now more solidly agreed upon) massive outlier of a race not indicative of anything on the world stage.

I can't speak for anyone else on here but myself, I just don't like Centrowitz and it has nothing to do with him being American. He's cringy and I don't like his personality. On top of that he's been on two of the most suspicious training groups in the US. He'll always have that gold medal, but it was the worst 1500m Olympic or WC race certainly in the modern era and I have every right to say that because that's 100% what it was, just as he has the right to say well I'm still a gold medallist. BTW the fact that it was slow is not his fault. If the field let's him lead that slowly that's on them as well, it's not on him to set the pace and of course had it gone faster he would still have been there and maybe had a shot at a medal. Centrowitz believed he was at or close to the best shape of his life and could not make the final in a fast race. That's all you need to know about 2016.

If they were in opposite heats, this post wouldn't exist.

Did anyone here actually watch Centro's race? He ran a 3:33 running in lanes 2 and sometimes even 3. How is that an indication of poor fitness? The issue was not fitness but tactics. He positioned himself horribly--hands down the worst tactical showing of his career.

Tamburlaine wrote:

Did anyone here actually watch Centro's race? He ran a 3:33 running in lanes 2 and sometimes even 3. How is that an indication of poor fitness? The issue was not fitness but tactics. He positioned himself horribly--hands down the worst tactical showing of his career.

Centro was done either way - run 3:33 in lane 2 or get boxed in at the end without a strong kick. Good showing from him, just not enough to be in the final right now, since the field is exceptionally deep.

Also he always been hyped up as a tactical guru, which I never bought. As a matter of fact, Centro is not tactically savvy at all. The only thing that really works for him is front running in a slow race.

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

Officially out.

And this is the guy who created an event for himself to break the US mile record??

Dead flat, nothing to give in this race.

WTF

Our worst event group by far is distance. We suck historically and currently. Thankfully we are good at sprints, jumps and throws.

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

Officially out.

And this is the guy who created an event for himself to break the US mile record??

Dead flat, nothing to give in this race.

WTF

Our worst event group by far is distance. We suck historically and currently. Thankfully we are good at sprints, jumps and throws.

Like father, like sayonara…….

Yes, Centro is out, but there's one thing nobody can ever take from him.

The fact that his winning 2016 time was slower than any medalist in his event since 1932, and even slower than some paralypmic athletes ran at the 2016 Paralympic Games.

Yes, he can likely run faster, but his 2021 mile record effort was a major fail, and when his semi went at big boy pants-level, he cried and took his ball home.

Sopa de Sabadell wrote:

Tamburlaine wrote:

Did anyone here actually watch Centro's race? He ran a 3:33 running in lanes 2 and sometimes even 3. How is that an indication of poor fitness? The issue was not fitness but tactics. He positioned himself horribly--hands down the worst tactical showing of his career.

Centro was done either way - run 3:33 in lane 2 or get boxed in at the end without a strong kick. Good showing from him, just not enough to be in the final right now, since the field is exceptionally deep.

Also he always been hyped up as a tactical guru, which I never bought. As a matter of fact, Centro is not tactically savvy at all. The only thing that really works for him is front running in a slow race.

Centro’s biggest mistake was not moving to the 5000. He already has the 1500 gold, & he’s not a young man anymore. A 3:49 guy can still contend for a medal in the 5000.

Sub-9 guy wrote:

Sopa de Sabadell wrote:

Centro was done either way - run 3:33 in lane 2 or get boxed in at the end without a strong kick. Good showing from him, just not enough to be in the final right now, since the field is exceptionally deep.

Also he always been hyped up as a tactical guru, which I never bought. As a matter of fact, Centro is not tactically savvy at all. The only thing that really works for him is front running in a slow race.

Centro’s biggest mistake was not moving to the 5000. He already has the 1500 gold, & he’s not a young man anymore. A 3:49 guy can still contend for a medal in the 5000.

He will be almost 35 the next time the Olympics come around. Not moving up this year was a terrible miscalculation. But, again, he has the hardware already.

abcrunning wrote:

"Most overrated O champion of all time.

Never a factor at world stage, never won a single diamond league. Just a lucky champ.

2016 many injured, pedestrian race, etc.

Champions like this should not exist."

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Wrong: Centro won DL London 2018. With the very best (Timothy, E. Manangoi, Filip and Jakob) absent though.

But it is true Centro has had very few successes in the DL.

And despite his highly praised finishing power he has never beaten "the snail" Jakob even though Centro had 3 changes already in 2018 where Jakob was only 17. And numerous chances in the later years. I don´t think Jakob worried about Centro (or anyone else) today.

I mean he ran the same time as Hocker was just unlucky to be in the fast semi-final.

So let's say they took the heat winners and the next 10 fastest runners. Centro is in.

On paper he's better than all but one person in the first heat. He has the 9th fastest time and 12 go to finals.

This is the way a career ends: not with a bang but a whimper.