All the deniers look like FOOLS now.
7 men under 3:31 in the 1500 - just 2 in 2016
13 men sub 13 in the 5k - jut 4 in 2016
12 women under 1:58 (without intersex athletes) - just 8 in 2016
13 women sub 4 - just 9 in 2016
39 women under 15 in the 15k - just 27 in 2016
There were a ton of people that were saying only the college athletes were running faster, that the pro's weren't. Those people like DUMB now.
here is the truth wrote:
All the deniers look like FOOLS now.
7 men under 3:31 in the 1500 - just 2 in 2016
13 men sub 13 in the 5k - jut 4 in 2016
12 women under 1:58 (without intersex athletes) - just 8 in 2016
13 women sub 4 - just 9 in 2016
39 women under 15 in the 15k - just 27 in 2016
There were a ton of people that were saying only the college athletes were running faster, that the pro's weren't. Those people like DUMB now.
7 men under 3:31 in the 1500 - 8 under 3:31.75 in 2016.
I would say that 0.2 seconds/lap is a meaningful difference, but not "MASSIVE."
lol. there have been years that monaco has had something like 6 people under 3:30.
We expect that this year should be the same as 16 because of the olympics? a sample size of 2 is not statistically significant.
this year is better across the board in just about every distance event, despite some key retirements and drug busts.
You are welcome to try to find other years that are better. There might be some better years in one event, but none even close to the overall strength of right now.
We have random scrubs like McSewyn running 3:29......he's just .05 behind LEGENDS like Aoutia and Komen...........Faster than Willis, Cram, Coe.
here is the truth wrote:
this year is better across the board in just about every distance event, despite some key retirements and drug busts.
You are welcome to try to find other years that are better. There might be some better years in one event, but none even close to the overall strength of right now.
We have random scrubs like McSewyn running 3:29......he's just .05 behind LEGENDS like Aoutia and Komen...........Faster than Willis, Cram, Coe.
“Random scrub”? You must not follow international athletics very closely.
Yeah, I don't think McSweyn is a scrub. But I'm a believer in superspikes. I just think we need to try harder to understand the magnitude of the effect. From what I've seen, 0.2 to 0.5 seconds per lap seems conceivable for elites, with the biggest percentage gains accruing for the (previously) least efficient and slowest, and for runners of the longer distances.
mzungu 2 wrote:
here is the truth wrote:
this year is better across the board in just about every distance event, despite some key retirements and drug busts.
You are welcome to try to find other years that are better. There might be some better years in one event, but none even close to the overall strength of right now.
We have random scrubs like McSewyn running 3:29......he's just .05 behind LEGENDS like Aoutia and Komen...........Faster than Willis, Cram, Coe.
“Random scrub”? You must not follow international athletics very closely.
He is someone that has never been a factor at the World Championships. But his PR is now a full second faster than Centro the reigning olympic champ? He is a FRACTION of the athlete of many of the guys that are now behind him on the All-time performance list.
You can pretty much throw out any time run at Monaco. Seriously, there is something wrong with that track.
thunderdome wrote:
You can pretty much throw out any time run at Monaco. Seriously, there is something wrong with that track.
It’s actually a treadmill it just moves in reverse to propel the athletes forward.
dis wrote:
https://www.worldathletics.org/records/toplists/middle-long/1500-metres/outdoor/men/senior/2015?regionType=world&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true
nice but most of the top 10 are known dopers
alphas only wrote:
thunderdome wrote:
You can pretty much throw out any time run at Monaco. Seriously, there is something wrong with that track.
It’s actually a treadmill it just moves in reverse to propel the athletes forward.
Its 1m short. I did a big reply and used math to show how 1m would give 2-3 seconds faster for a 1500, and 25 seconds faster in a 5k…..and nope it got deleted
bannned i got wrote:
Its 1m short. I did a big reply and used math to show how 1m would give 2-3 seconds faster for a 1500, and 25 seconds faster in a 5k…..and nope it got deleted
Banned you should have gotten.
The Dirty Duck wrote:
here is the truth wrote:
All the deniers look like FOOLS now.
7 men under 3:31 in the 1500 - just 2 in 2016
13 men sub 13 in the 5k - jut 4 in 2016
12 women under 1:58 (without intersex athletes) - just 8 in 2016
13 women sub 4 - just 9 in 2016
39 women under 15 in the 15k - just 27 in 2016
There were a ton of people that were saying only the college athletes were running faster, that the pro's weren't. Those people like DUMB now.
7 men under 3:31 in the 1500 - 8 under 3:31.75 in 2016.
I would say that 0.2 seconds/lap is a meaningful difference, but not "MASSIVE."
Funny that you could only find one comparison from years past. And the event that probably sees the least effect (other than the 800) from the shoes. Season isn’t even over.
I predict that these numbers will double by the end of the season. At least 8 guys under 27 at the Olympic 10,000m final alone.
If the weather is good, Olympic records in almost all events. Iaaf will turn their heads even though the shoes are clear performance enhancers on par with the best PEDs. Throw in actual PEDs and we’re in for quite a circus. Sit back folks, the clown show is ready to start.
Actually I only looked at one. What are the equivalent 2016 cut points at the other distances?
13 men sub 13:00 in the 5k this year
19 under 13:05 in 2016.
So what do you think? Anecdotal evidence of maybe 0.4 seconds/lap in the 5000?
Nothing looks dumber than cherry picking to "end" a debate. End it for you, maybe. You folded right off the bat.
Did they have the "super spikes" in 2014 yet cuz I'm pretty sure there was at least 9 or 10 under 3:31, including an American (Manzano). World lead 3:27, not from Kiprop
MOnaco has a perfect climate and always brings in the best field. no secret beyond that.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Nothing looks dumber than cherry picking to "end" a debate. End it for you, maybe. You folded right off the bat.
Did they have the "super spikes" in 2014 yet cuz I'm pretty sure there was at least 9 or 10 under 3:31, including an American (Manzano). World lead 3:27, not from Kiprop
Aren't you cherrypicking when you only pick 1 event out of 5 that I listed??
In 2014 there were only 4 guys under 13 (13 under 13 in 2021)
in 2014 there were only 3 women under 1:58 and zero under 1:57 (12 in 2021 and 6 under 1:57)
2014 - only 7 women under 4 (13 in 2021)
2014 - only 13 women sub 15 (39 in 2021)
It's worth mentioning that a lot of top guys skipped the Monaco 1500 this year, too. Surely Wightman, Centro, Hocker, Kerr, etc are all capable of it if they tried.
here is the truth wrote:
mzungu 2 wrote:
“Random scrub”? You must not follow international athletics very closely.
He is someone that has never been a factor at the World Championships. But his PR is now a full second faster than Centro the reigning olympic champ? He is a FRACTION of the athlete of many of the guys that are now behind him on the All-time performance list.
It’s impossible to improve performance in your opinion? He is 26, and approaching the traditional peak. Last WC’s, he was 24, with only a best of 3’31. Note that most all competitors in dogs had the Nike victory prototype by 2019 (including mcsweyn). He had steadily improved from 3’34….to 3’31…to 3’30…now to 3’29. He made the 3k race last season with Jakob and Kiplimo. He is currently top 5 in the world.
I will not change your opinion- that is a fool’s intention. You are set in your belief; but you cannot denigrate Mcsweyn as a scrub when considering all of the above.
“Dogs”?
*Doha