IMO Katir is clean. He has been as accessible to testers as anyonelse, living in a National Training Centre all the time. The lad is Spanish AF, never been on remote training camps with dodgy people. He does not have dodgy training partners.
I know the past 10 doping scandals had spanish morrocans involved, but this guy is a different story.
He came over to spain when he was 4 lived in Murcia and trained in his spanish town.
¿Is he on the pig offal diet? I’d say no.
So he is 100% Spanish. Right. His Moroccan background has nothing to do with his success, at least not in an environmental or doping sense.
So now we seriously have to consider the possibility that Moroccans, like the Kenyans and Ethiopians, might some kind of genetic advantage.
This seems implausible. Most Moroccans have not been living at altitude for thousands of years. In fact, as far as I know, their DNA is little different to the Spanish and other Mediterranean peoples.
He's not clean.
Who cares about his nationality, whats sus is that he went from 3:36 to #10 all time 3:28 in like 3 weeks. That’s a ridiculous jump, never before seen in the history of track and field. Give me a break, the man is juiced up, I don’t care what quaint little village he comes from. Dopers can come from anywhere.
A few issues with progression. As a 17 year old 8:48 for 3k as an 18 year old 8:31....29:31 for 10k in 2019? Something doesn't sound right.
https://european-athletics.com/historical-data/athletes/sui/mohamed-katir-014642046
Shut up and accept the fact that he has worked hard over several years and is being rewarded for that. If he were using drugs he surely would've been caught in a test. He's from Spain, they are much more frequent with their testing than several other nations.
Katir regularly trains with Jakob Ingebrigtsen when they're both in Sierra Nevada. Just saying.
If something comes out it does. No one is above reproach but don't start a witch hunt for no reason. He's been running fast since January he just hasn't had a 1500 since then I'm sure. Let's just see where this goes. I hope the guy is clean and if he's not I'll be sorry to see it.
Because you are hopelessly naive.
instasnap wrote:
A few issues with progression. As a 17 year old 8:48 for 3k as an 18 year old 8:31....29:31 for 10k in 2019? Something doesn't sound right.
https://european-athletics.com/historical-data/athletes/sui/mohamed-katir-014642046
Not making any comment re: Katir specifically, but assuming large jumps in performance by male teenage distance runners as they switch from high school/club training --> collegiate/professional training levels is indicative of doping is an asinine take. 8:30 3k --> 29:30 10k is also a progression we see from US collegiate athletes every year.
That’s not the jump I’d be concerned with at all. It is however highly unusual for an 8:31 3k around highschool, 29:30 a bit after performer to go on to run 12:50/3:28 a couple years later.
The United States has plenty of 9:0x 3200m high schoolers, and plenty still who make the jump to running sub 30 (and sub 29 and increasingly sub 28) shortly after. How many of them would you pick to one day run 3:28/12:50 ?
Katir is assuredly a tremendous talent. But it is strange he was running just 13:50 a couple years ago; people like Rupp and Jakob and so on did run as slow as 13:30’s but only when they were comparatively children .
The guy did 2x1km in 2'18" in Pegasus 36 in training. From there 3'28" is not surprising imo.
Katir's transformation is pretty amazing. Last year, he was only 7th at the Spanish championships last year, in 3:46.22. And he was only 4th in the Memorial José Antonio Cansino, in 3:36. The winner, Ignacio Fontes, ran 3:33. Fontes is six months younger than Katir.
2020 was a strange year, but I don't see anything in Katir's record last year that says he was about to catch fire like he has.
Katir is the new Makhloufi and needs JAKIR to come back to promote him
the breakthrough year runs 12:50 in the 5000m and breaks one of the toughest barriers in the 1500m (sub 3:30) something definitely doesn't add up. I mean I don't blame him.
For example, in the 800m Amos only raced once before winning today, and look at him. In top form. In order to compete with the top dawgs you need to be on the juice.
Number 18 wrote:
So he is 100% Spanish. Right. His Moroccan background has nothing to do with his success, at least not in an environmental or doping sense.
Taste the deception and have balls (boules d 'engine) silently.
I could write books about your jumps and falls (using all sort of tactics).
Never point the picture of Sebastian Coe near Abdeslam Ahizoun, because we have no assurance if he was not dirty as sportif.
Explain to me the sudden "decline" of England in International Cross Country after 1970.
Something not right there !!!!!
(I'm using your same semantics)
Number 18 wrote:
Most Moroccans have not been living at altitude for thousands of years.
They built the Atlas Mountains recently then? ;-)
Bad Wigins wrote:
Katir is the new Makhloufi and needs JAKIR to come back to promote him
Don't get me started on Makhloufi.... A lock for the podium this Olympics, Worlds and the next Olympics. Mark my words.
On the eve of the Games, Mohamed Katir erases Fermín Cacho's record
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SERGIO HEREDIA
07/09/2021 21:05
The purists, yes, they expected something like this from Mohamed Katir (23).
But the layman hardly knows who we are talking about.
Mohamed Katir is a Moroccan who had come to Spain by boat when he was a child and did not speak Spanish.
One who had started to play soccer but did not touch her and took the coach's fights.
One who had decided to start running, because that was good for him, of course better than football, and he did so well and he has grown so much that this afternoon, in the Diamond League in Monaco, he snatched Spain's record of the 1,500th Fermín Cacho: chasing Tim Cheruiyot, Katir has signed 3m28s76, two tenths below the record that the Soria genius, gold in Barcelona'92, silver in Atlanta'96, had registered in 1997.
On the eve of the Tokyo Games, the news is bright.
The news is brilliant, among other reasons, because only Cheruiyot (3m28s28) has been able to surpass Katir.
Behind came Jakob Ingebrigtsen (3m29s25) and Stewart McSweyn (3m29s51). The latter two are direct rivals of Katir in Tokyo. But Cheruiyot will miss the Olympics: a couple of weeks ago, he had screwed up in the Kenyan Trials , finishing fourth.
Arrived by boat
Katir was four years old when she reached Spain in a dinghy
There are those who still do not understand anything.
For example, those who do not know where he comes from, how this Katir has appeared, a man who lives in Mula (Murcia), who just a year ago was running at 3m36s59 and who suddenly, for no apparent reason, has erased Fermín Cacho of the boards (the record for the Soriano had been a European record until 2013) and also, a few weeks ago, he appropriated the Spanish record of the 5,000 m: 12m50s79.
No other Spaniard has ever dropped below 13m.
The key, say those who have treated him, is in the change of perspective, something that had happened in 2018, in his twenties.
Quality leap
Until 2018, Katir trained just enough: he was a good runner, but his aspirations were lower
"For a long time, my coach did not pay attention to me - Katir has told whoever has come to ask him -. And until I was 17 years old, I had not realized my potential."
Until then, he trained just enough. He was distracted by other matters. He didn't even take himself seriously. He was a good runner, but his aspirations were lower: at the age of 17 he ran the 1,500m in 3m52s79.
Iron Bars wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Katir is the new Makhloufi and needs JAKIR to come back to promote him
Don't get me started on Makhloufi.... A lock for the podium this Olympics, Worlds and the next Olympics. Mark my words.
Looks like we found our new JAKIR. Don't let the original being registered/retired stop you. Be JAKlR, JAK1R, JAKEER, whatever goes through.
