Sotamayor jumped 8 feet like a quarter century ago. Has anyone else jumped 8 feet in the interim? The pole vaulters are breaking records left and right as are the 5000 and 10,000 meter guys. With the super shoes why are high jumpers not breaking any records and especially why is no one jumping 8 feet?
8 feet is really hecking good. Furthermore, we don't know that communist bloc athletes were actually clean (probs not). No one in the ncaa jumped over 7-6 this year. So if guys on the cusp of going pro consider 7-3 to 7-4 really good, 8 feet is otherworldly. Its like the doped chinese women's times before whatever designer ped many east africans are using today was available.
Kvothe wrote:
8 feet is really hecking good. Furthermore, we don't know that communist bloc athletes were actually clean (probs not). No one in the ncaa jumped over 7-6 this year. So if guys on the cusp of going pro consider 7-3 to 7-4 really good, 8 feet is otherworldly. Its like the doped chinese women's times before whatever designer ped many east africans are using today was available.
Andra Mason jumped 7' 7" in high school 20 years ago. What the heck has happened to elite high jumpers?
The super shoes haven't been marking big waves outside the long distances , not saying the new shoes aren't helping but the affect hasn't been that dramatic.
Barshim did jump 2.43 though in 2014
Kvothe wrote:
8 feet is really hecking good. Furthermore, we don't know that communist bloc athletes were actually clean (probs not). No one in the ncaa jumped over 7-6 this year. So if guys on the cusp of going pro consider 7-3 to 7-4 really good, 8 feet is otherworldly. Its like the doped chinese women's times before whatever designer ped many east africans are using today was available.
What are you talking about Harrison went 7'8.75 and another guy went over 7'6
paris2024hawk wrote:
The super shoes haven't been marking big waves outside the long distances , not saying the new shoes aren't helping but the affect hasn't been that dramatic.
Barshim did jump 2.43 though in 2014
That is 7.97 feet so pretty close.
I believe the high jump (and maybe the long jump) have had specific rules about shoes for decades so they shouldn’t be impacted by shoes
Maybe the most naturally gifted jump athletes are going into other sports.
High school boys volleyball being in the spring is not helping
Sotomayor was doped far beyond any jumper before or since. TPTB covered up his numerous positive tests because he was from poor little Cuba until his own arrogance caught up with him. But they still didn’t hit him for the “harder” PEDs, just his cocaine use. A familiar story to clear thinking followers of the sport.
This is totally normal for doped records. Just look at Kevin Young 46.78 in 400 hurdles. No one was close from 1992 until 2018, when samba suddenly ran 46.98 then in 2019 warholm ran 46.92 and Benjamin 46.98. 2020 warholm ran 46.87. 2021 Benjamin runs 46.83 and warholm finally breaks WR with 46.70. Interesting that after som many years it takes a talented trio to push eachother and break the old WR.
Sotomayor was hilariously doped. You just have no idea how good that record is because you likely weren’t a jumper. I thought Barshim was going to get it but he leveled off. Harrison has a shot if he keeps progressing and leans into the HJ vs the LJ.
Why not start a post about “what’s up with women’s 100/200/400/800 runners” it’s the same story.
stephen santiagoog wrote:
Sotamayor jumped 8 feet like a quarter century ago. Has anyone else jumped 8 feet in the interim? The pole vaulters are breaking records left and right as are the 5000 and 10,000 meter guys. With the super shoes why are high jumpers not breaking any records and especially why is no one jumping 8 feet?
Uhm, ever heard of the NBA?
And I wonder how hugh Justice Sotomayor can jump today?
coach wrote:
Maybe the most naturally gifted jump athletes are going into other sports.
this is the answer that encapsulates every single jumps question on this website FYI
Putting Sotamayor's probable PED status aside for a moment. His approach run generated incredible speed. He started in lane 9 on the track and came in at well over 25 mph (it is believed his approach speed translated to 10.2 100 meter speed.) Barshim is one of the few jumpers to have come close to the record with his 2.43 clearance nearly seven years ago. But most high jumpers can not generate that much speed/force on their take off to launch to that height. What we more often see is a very controlled approach run with results hovering around 2.36 meters. Lastly, increasing the speed of an approach run is not that simple. If you observed Harrison at the OT in Eugene, you noticed he moved back his mark as the bar height increased. But that is too simplistic in an event like the high jump and often fails to accommodate the increased speed into the bar.
Given that the records have not progressed in the high jump, long jump, or triple jump, I have to wonder if there are some thresholds beyond which people just aren't going to be able to throw themselves into/through the air, regardless of drugs, shoe technology, etc. You just don't see athletes, men or women, come close to record marks in any of these events, which is not the case in any other discipline. You can say that is because of doping but which track events have not had records set by dopers at some point or another?
The pole vault uses an implement that athletes can apply force to in order to hurl themselves into the air. With the changes in pole technology and the spread of quality coaching in that event, I can understand how performances can improve. Their are just a lot of variables there to be ironed out. The jumps, on the other hand, are just so basic. Dope the hell out of someone and put them in shoes with catapults in them. Are they ever going to be able to long jump 9.2x meters? Can a human being fly through the air that far under their own power?
retired OC coach wrote:
Putting Sotamayor's probable PED status aside for a moment. His approach run generated incredible speed. He started in lane 9 on the track and came in at well over 25 mph (it is believed his approach speed translated to 10.2 100 meter speed.) Barshim is one of the few jumpers to have come close to the record with his 2.43 clearance nearly seven years ago. But most high jumpers can not generate that much speed/force on their take off to launch to that height. What we more often see is a very controlled approach run with results hovering around 2.36 meters. Lastly, increasing the speed of an approach run is not that simple. If you observed Harrison at the OT in Eugene, you noticed he moved back his mark as the bar height increased. But that is too simplistic in an event like the high jump and often fails to accommodate the increased speed into the bar.
I don't know that you can put PEDs aside with this comment. The ability to translate speed into vertical lift requires tremendous strength.
For those who haven't seen this jump go to 2:20 in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n6NhV4CaiUIf you're still talking about imperial heights, then quit complaining. The problem is not them, it's you.
As someone said, Mutaz did 2.43 just a few years ago, and his rival Bound-a-renko bounded 2.42 at least once or twice.
113 wrote:
Given that the records have not progressed in the high jump, long jump, or triple jump, I have to wonder if there are some thresholds beyond which people just aren't going to be able to throw themselves into/through the air, regardless of drugs, shoe technology, etc. You just don't see athletes, men or women, come close to record marks in any of these events, which is not the case in any other discipline. You can say that is because of doping but which track events have not had records set by dopers at some point or another?
The pole vault uses an implement that athletes can apply force to in order to hurl themselves into the air. With the changes in pole technology and the spread of quality coaching in that event, I can understand how performances can improve. Their are just a lot of variables there to be ironed out. The jumps, on the other hand, are just so basic. Dope the hell out of someone and put them in shoes with catapults in them. Are they ever going to be able to long jump 9.2x meters? Can a human being fly through the air that far under their own power?
The math says Bolt could have jumped 10m. but finding a fast enoigh athlete who is as good at the jumps is going to be a rare breed.
to me the scary part with the long jump is that people arent even close. 28' is still a monster jump.
highhoppingworm wrote:
Sotomayor was hilariously doped. You just have no idea how good that record is because you likely weren’t a jumper.
You sound jealous.
You don't really need to be strong for HJ.
What can HJers even lift?